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Or any other settings that could reduce the run time of the gc at the expense of some other performance aspect? 2015-09-01T19:24:03Z alchemis7 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-09-01T19:24:33Z alchemis7 joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:34:03Z Quadrescence quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:34:04Z mdc_mobile quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:34:06Z dustinm` quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:34:06Z kini quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:35:00Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:35:00Z mdc_mobile joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:35:09Z dustinm` joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:35:51Z kini joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:37:16Z rme: rick-monster: There's nothing in the works wrt improving the gc in tthat way. You could try tuning up the EGC generation sizes with ccl:configure-egc, but the larger the generation size, the longer it takes to collect, of course. 2015-09-01T19:37:34Z rme: (nothing in the works that I know of, I should say.) 2015-09-01T19:47:56Z Quadrescence quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:47:56Z mdc_mobile quit (*.net *.split) 2015-09-01T19:49:51Z rick-monster: hmm - I *seemed* to reduce the time for full gc somewhat by using #'save-application... 2015-09-01T19:50:54Z rick-monster: that is if (time (ccl:gc)) gives an accurate picture? 2015-09-01T19:52:35Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:52:35Z mdc_mobile joined #ccl 2015-09-01T19:55:08Z rme: (gc-verbose t) will cause the gc to print out messages (including gc time, which should be accurate). 2015-09-01T20:20:05Z rick-monster: thanks for the info 2015-09-01T20:48:14Z lisse quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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That is, Command does Mac-like things, and Option does Meta-like things? 2015-09-25T00:02:24Z emaczen: rme: That is a good point -- but at the same time I don't want to "confuse" my fingers by moving meta away form the space 2015-09-25T00:02:29Z pjb: In programs using Meta- the semantics of Meta- are more Command- like than Option- like. 2015-09-25T00:02:48Z pjb: Option is used to get alternative graphic characters. 2015-09-25T00:03:18Z emaczen: I'll try the system preferences thing I guess it is a good palce to start. 2015-09-25T00:04:54Z rme: That probably changes it everywhere, though. I don't think that it's straightforward to make the Command key act like a Meta key as the IDE is currently implemented. 2015-09-25T00:05:43Z emaczen: rme: Yes it does, and it kinda stink for CMD + TAB ... 2015-09-25T00:06:42Z pjb: emaczen: I think you could change HI::*MODIFIERS-TO-INTERNAL-MASKS* 2015-09-25T00:08:29Z pjb: In anycase, it's in cocoa-ide/hemlock/src/key-event.lisp 2015-09-25T00:09:35Z emaczen: interesting 2015-09-25T00:13:07Z emaczen: Do you use ccl-init.lisp similary as .emacs ? 2015-09-25T00:13:17Z emaczen: I want to change around some keybindings to reflect my current emacs usage 2015-09-25T00:14:33Z rme: The IDE will load home:ccl-ide-init.lisp after the Cocoa event loop starts. I'd put keybindings there. 2015-09-25T00:23:49Z emaczen: So I'm trying to rebind "Extended Command" withouts succes by issuing the "Bind Key" command 2015-09-25T00:41:25Z emaczen: rme: What about hemlock-init.lisp (that is what I have found in the documentation) and where would I put these files? 2015-09-25T00:41:25Z emaczen: 2015-09-25T00:42:12Z rme: I'm afraid I have never heard of hemlock-init.lisp. 2015-09-25T00:43:21Z emaczen: Ok, well where do you put ccl-ide-init.lisp? 2015-09-25T00:44:03Z rme: In your home directory. Sorry, I thought I mentioned that earlier. 2015-09-25T00:46:02Z rme: Oh, maybe you're not familiar with CL logical hosts. #p"home:" means (user-homedir-pathname) which refers to your home directory. 2015-09-25T00:47:29Z emaczen: Ok, yes I am unfamiliar 2015-09-25T01:01:21Z emaczen: Ok, it does that the file now, however i'm struggling to define keybindings: (bind-key "Kill Previous Word" '#(#\c-w)) -- what's wrong with this? I found a similar example online. 2015-09-25T01:01:42Z emaczen: I'm expecting #\c-w to be CTRL + W 2015-09-25T01:03:21Z rme: (hi:bind-key "Kill Previous Word" #k"control-w") 2015-09-25T01:03:35Z emaczen: Where is #k defined? 2015-09-25T01:05:21Z rme: That in that cocoa-ide/hemlock/src/key-event.lisp file that was mentioned earlier. See also the file bindings.lisp in that same directory. 2015-09-25T01:05:35Z emaczen: ahh okay 2015-09-25T01:05:36Z emaczen: Thanks 2015-09-25T01:20:32Z emaczen: What is wrong with (delete-key-binding #k"C-x C-m") followed by (bind-key "Extended Command" #k"C-x C-m")? I'm sorry for asking 1000 questions but it isn't intuitive to me as to why it wouldn't work. 2015-09-25T01:20:32Z emaczen: 2015-09-25T01:27:16Z rme: emaczen: I don't really know, sorry. 2015-09-25T01:30:15Z emaczen: rme: no worries, I'll figure it out eventually 2015-09-25T01:34:04Z phf: emaczen: so i have the following setup that works for me. a separate hemlock.lisp file with (in-package #:hemlock) (bind-key ...), which is in turn loaded from ccl-init.lisp #+hemlock (load ".../hemlock.lisp") 2015-09-25T01:37:50Z phf: emaczen: but i tried rebinding c-x c-m and it's not working for me either, hmm. 2015-09-25T01:41:30Z pjb: emaczen: you don't need to be "familiar", just use the REPL: (translate-logical-pathname #P"home:ccl-ide-init.lisp") #| --> #P"/home/pjb/ccl-ide-init.lisp" |# 2015-09-25T01:43:31Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-25T01:47:03Z pjb: minion: memo for emaczen: why don't you look at cocoa-ide/hemlock/src/bindings.lisp for examples of global bindings? 2015-09-25T01:53:30Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-25T01:53:40Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-25T02:00:53Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-25T02:01:35Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T03:19:20Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-25T03:21:54Z ddp left #ccl 2015-09-25T03:44:44Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-25T04:05:47Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T04:46:46Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-25T05:02:00Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T05:54:34Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-25T05:55:36Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-25T05:56:09Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-25T06:05:47Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T06:40:52Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2015-09-25T07:03:19Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T08:06:07Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-25T09:17:43Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2015-09-25T09:54:47Z |3b|: does CCL handle callbacks from arbitrary foreign threads on all platforms? 2015-09-25T10:16:02Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-25T11:06:24Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T11:38:36Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-09-25T12:06:42Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T13:40:26Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-09-25T14:04:44Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T14:43:08Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-09-25T15:42:12Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-25T15:42:56Z hlavaty quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-25T16:02:12Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-25T16:39:32Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-09-25T16:54:11Z clop joined #ccl 2015-09-25T17:14:34Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-25T21:04:47Z gz quit (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) 2015-09-25T21:13:12Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-25T23:30:12Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-09-26T05:22:07Z kini quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 2015-09-26T05:24:33Z kini joined #ccl 2015-09-26T06:57:49Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-26T06:59:21Z Ettore1 joined #ccl 2015-09-26T07:02:12Z Ettore quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-09-26T07:09:29Z billstclair: |3b|: as far as I know, it does. One problem I’ve run into is that as soon as you get a callback, CCL remembers the thread, and suspends it on GC 2015-09-26T07:17:48Z Ettore1 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-09-26T14:31:11Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-26T15:02:49Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-26T15:28:20Z pjb` joined #ccl 2015-09-26T15:29:48Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-09-26T16:56:07Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-26T17:01:59Z pjb` is now known as pjb 2015-09-26T20:56:48Z hydan joined #ccl 2015-09-26T21:10:47Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-26T22:33:10Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-26T22:51:35Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-26T23:43:42Z hydan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-27T00:48:42Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-09-27T04:58:56Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-27T04:59:11Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-27T04:59:47Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-27T04:59:52Z gz quit (Ping timeout: 183 seconds) 2015-09-27T05:00:16Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-27T05:50:05Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-27T06:21:57Z Intensity quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-27T08:36:34Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-27T08:44:03Z hydan joined #ccl 2015-09-27T09:38:10Z consolers joined #ccl 2015-09-27T09:38:46Z consolers: lw /list #acl 2015-09-27T10:18:25Z consolers quit 2015-09-27T10:30:08Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-27T10:34:07Z gz quit (Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-27T13:34:13Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-09-27T15:18:05Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-27T15:32:15Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-27T18:38:51Z hydan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-27T19:54:33Z hydan joined #ccl 2015-09-27T21:39:24Z emaczen` joined #ccl 2015-09-27T21:40:15Z emaczen`: phf: Did you ever try rebinding c-x c-m again? 2015-09-27T21:40:27Z emaczen`: What is the default completion key-binding? 2015-09-27T21:41:17Z phf: emaczen`: i followed pascal's advice, and it actually brought me to the solution 2015-09-27T21:41:42Z emaczen`: phf: What was that exactly? 2015-09-27T21:41:48Z emaczen`: I think I was logged off. 2015-09-27T21:42:43Z phf: emaczen`: oh he said check cocoa-ide/hemlock/src/bindings.lisp for default bindings 2015-09-27T21:43:19Z phf: and it looks like the binding was defined for :mode "Editor" 2015-09-27T21:43:49Z emaczen`: Oh, perhaps I tried removing it only globally then? 2015-09-27T21:44:48Z phf: emaczen`: so it looks like that when you remove binding or bind a new key you have to explicitly provide the mode (or global) 2015-09-27T21:45:10Z emaczen`: phf: cool, I'll try that once I figure out how completion works exactly... 2015-09-27T21:45:25Z emaczen`: The "modes" seem a little different than emacs modes 2015-09-27T21:45:28Z emaczen`: gnu emacs that is. 2015-09-27T21:45:45Z phf: emaczen`: yeah, the modes/bindings interaction is confusing 2015-09-27T21:46:23Z emaczen`: phf: At least it is common-lisp and I don't have to fiddle with opening files... lol 2015-09-27T21:46:38Z emaczen`: compared to elisp I mean... 2015-09-27T21:47:26Z emaczen`: What is the "end" key 2015-09-27T21:47:33Z emaczen`: (bind-key "Completion Complete Word" #k"end" :mode "Completion") -- here is the context 2015-09-27T21:47:44Z phf: probably 2015-09-27T21:48:07Z emaczen`: I don't know what that is. 2015-09-27T21:48:17Z phf: #k"" c'mon ;) 2015-09-27T21:48:33Z phf: oh you mean what that key means 2015-09-27T21:48:43Z emaczen`: How do I type it?! 2015-09-27T21:48:45Z emaczen`: lol 2015-09-27T21:49:21Z phf: usually requires a full keyboard, but on macbook pro it's fn-right 2015-09-27T21:50:05Z emaczen`: Ok, that still isn't completing anything in the listener 2015-09-27T21:50:27Z emaczen`: I've completed stuff in the listener before I just don't remember. 2015-09-27T21:51:07Z emaczen`: Is my listener in "completion" mode or is that even relevant. 2015-09-27T21:51:08Z phf: i have a custom dwim completion function bound to tab, so i don't quite remember what default is 2015-09-27T21:51:16Z emaczen`: dwim? 2015-09-27T21:51:23Z phf: do what i mean 2015-09-27T21:51:30Z phf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWIM 2015-09-27T21:51:49Z phf: anyway, here's the function that i use, bound to if you're curious. http://paste.lisp.org/display/155888 2015-09-27T21:53:38Z emaczen`: phf: Will that work in the listener as well? In the mode-line I currently have CL-USER: (Lisp Listener) Listener(72) [Active] -- I am guessing that (Lisp Listener) means that it is Lisp and Listener modes? 2015-09-27T21:54:13Z phf: works in listener too 2015-09-27T21:54:26Z emaczen`: Is my mode-line interpretation correct? 2015-09-27T21:54:41Z phf: yes 2015-09-27T21:55:13Z phf: actually i'm not sure :o 2015-09-27T21:55:32Z emaczen`: phf: hahah it works at least! 2015-09-27T21:55:38Z emaczen`: Yay for some kind of completion! 2015-09-27T21:57:01Z emaczen`: phf: Do you know the equivalent of C-x C-e? (were you ever a gnu emacs user?) 2015-09-27T21:57:45Z phf: c-x c-e works here as you would expect 2015-09-27T21:58:27Z phf: although there's also command-e which evaluates last expression or selection if there's one 2015-09-27T22:04:10Z emaczen`: phf: I'm probably going to rebind the keys to the same keys that I used in gnu emacs. 2015-09-27T22:06:15Z emaczen`: phf: (delete-key-binding #k"C-x C-m" :editor) -- ccl doesn't like that 2015-09-27T22:06:32Z emaczen`: It says :EDITOR is not a valid binding type 2015-09-27T22:06:50Z emaczen`: The mode for c-x c-m is "Editor" 2015-09-27T22:07:45Z emaczen`: I think I see it after M-. to the delete-key-binding defun 2015-09-27T22:09:55Z emaczen`: phf: Sweet! thanks for explaining clearly earlier! I am a lot closer now to switching to hemlock (although I am on freenode through erc). 2015-09-27T22:11:27Z phf: emaczen`: yw 2015-09-27T22:29:50Z emaczen`: Is there any "echo area" prompting? Like in the emacs minibuffer? 2015-09-27T22:30:19Z emaczen`: Specifically, I am looking for the functions to read your input from the "echo area" 2015-09-27T22:32:40Z emaczen`: In elisp this is the (interactive) function 2015-09-27T23:00:28Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-28T00:38:54Z emaczen`: I'm having trouble with hi:prompt-for-string 2015-09-28T00:39:06Z emaczen`: I'm calling it like: (hi:prompt-for-string :prompt "A Prompt:") 2015-09-28T00:39:36Z emaczen`: I get an error saying: Undefined function :PROMPT called with arguments ("Project Name:") . 2015-09-28T00:39:36Z emaczen`: 2015-09-28T00:39:48Z emaczen`: NO wait.. 2015-09-28T00:40:32Z emaczen`: There is no applicable method for the generic function: # 2015-09-28T00:40:39Z emaczen`: when called with arguments: (NIL) 2015-09-28T00:55:16Z pjb quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-28T00:56:09Z pjb` joined #ccl 2015-09-28T01:13:13Z consolers joined #ccl 2015-09-28T01:17:23Z pjb` is now known as pjb 2015-09-28T01:18:36Z consolers: Consider using symbol macros to keep track of lexical nesting levels in defmacro, what is the trick to to set the initial binding 2015-09-28T01:18:48Z consolers: i mean consider a macro like (defmacro fooblock (name &body body) (block ,name ,@body)) 2015-09-28T01:19:17Z consolers: now i want to make the names of the nested blocks available for use in macro expansions 2015-09-28T01:20:12Z consolers: (defmacro fooblock (name &body body) 2015-09-28T01:20:16Z consolers: (symbol-macrolet ((stack (cons name (macroexpand-1 stack)))) 2015-09-28T01:20:17Z consolers: (block ,name ,@body)) 2015-09-28T01:20:44Z consolers: sorry i forgot some backticks there 2015-09-28T01:20:55Z consolers: around the BLOCK form 2015-09-28T01:21:54Z consolers: but is my problem clear 2015-09-28T01:30:06Z consolers: oh more problems with the example i posted above: you cant use macroexpand in the symbol-macros expansion but use an intermediate storage value 2015-09-28T01:30:25Z consolers: and that introduces other problems 2015-09-28T01:35:00Z consolers: a macrolet's lambda-list can access symbol macro expansions but not LET bindings 2015-09-28T01:36:39Z clop2 joined #ccl 2015-09-28T01:37:09Z consolers: but the basic problem i'm stumped on is how to keep track of the lexical nesting of macro calls in the environment 2015-09-28T01:38:52Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-28T01:38:52Z fe[nl]ix quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-09-28T01:41:57Z fe[nl]ix joined #ccl 2015-09-28T01:43:15Z consolers: I could do this: 2015-09-28T01:43:16Z consolers: (defmacro fooblock (name &body body) 2015-09-28T01:43:21Z consolers: (let ((val (ignore-errors (macroexpand-1 stack)))) 2015-09-28T01:43:27Z consolers: (symbol-macrolet ((stack (cons name stack))) 2015-09-28T01:43:28Z consolers: `(block ,name ,@body)))) 2015-09-28T01:43:49Z consolers: but theres an undefined reference to stack in the outermost call to fooblock 2015-09-28T01:52:55Z consolers: another job for special variables! 2015-09-28T01:55:23Z pjb: (defmacro s () nil) 2015-09-28T01:55:23Z pjb: (define-symbol-macro s (s)) 2015-09-28T01:55:23Z pjb: (defmacro foo (name &body body &environment oldenv) 2015-09-28T01:55:23Z pjb: `(macrolet ((s () `',(cons ',name ,(macroexpand '(s) oldenv)))) 2015-09-28T01:55:26Z pjb: (block ,name ,@body))) 2015-09-28T01:55:30Z pjb: (foo a (foo b (foo c s))) 2015-09-28T01:55:33Z pjb: --> (c b a) 2015-09-28T01:55:36Z pjb: 2015-09-28T01:56:19Z consolers: oh of course. how blind i've been 2015-09-28T01:56:35Z pjb: The thing is that symbol-macrolet doesn't take an environment argument. This is unfortunate. 2015-09-28T01:57:45Z consolers: the other thing that came out of it is this: 2015-09-28T01:57:50Z consolers: (let ((foo '(10))) (macrolet ((barf () `(list ,@foo))) (barf))) ; illegal 2015-09-28T01:58:42Z consolers: (let ((val '(10))) (symbol-macrolet ((foo '(10))) (macrolet ((barf () `(list ,@foo))) (barf)))) ; ok 2015-09-28T01:59:55Z consolers: (let ((val '(10))) (symbol-macrolet ((foo val)) (macrolet ((barf () `(list ,@foo))) (barf)))) ; OK 2015-09-28T02:00:24Z consolers: wait nevermind 2015-09-28T02:00:38Z consolers: both my previous 2 statements were wrong 2015-09-28T02:11:13Z emaczen`: can anyone help me with the function prompt-for-string? I'm using it like: (prompt-for-string :prompt "Name: ") -- it's ironic becasue the documentation on trac.clozure.com says: This function prompts for a string; this cannot fail. 2015-09-28T02:11:24Z emaczen`: The error I get is: There is no applicable method for the generic function: 2015-09-28T02:11:24Z emaczen`: # 2015-09-28T02:11:24Z emaczen`: when called with arguments: 2015-09-28T02:11:27Z emaczen`: (NIL) 2015-09-28T02:11:30Z emaczen`: [Condition of type CCL:NO-APPLICABLE-METHOD-EXISTS] 2015-09-28T02:19:25Z consolers quit (Quit: later) 2015-09-28T02:19:36Z emaczen`: I'm trying to call this from the Listener if that is problematic 2015-09-28T02:20:30Z rme: emaczen`: I'm only here for a moment. 2015-09-28T02:20:56Z emaczen`: Sure, I'm just grateful for the help 2015-09-28T02:21:01Z rme: But, when you're interacting with a listener, you're interacting with a thread. The thread is a repl thread, just as if it was in a terminal. 2015-09-28T02:21:54Z rme: It doesn't know that it's in a hemlock buffer of any sort, and there is some dynamic state that has to be present in order for many hemlock functions to work. E..g. *current-buffer* and I don't know what else off-hand. 2015-09-28T02:22:11Z emaczen`: Yeah *current-buffer* evaluates to nil a lot too 2015-09-28T02:26:26Z rme: I think it should work to use (defcommand "Something" (p) ...) and write your code there. Then you can call your command with M-x Something (or bind it to some key). 2015-09-28T02:26:52Z rme: The correct dynamic environment will be all set up for the body of the defcommand. 2015-09-28T02:26:55Z rme: Good luck. 2015-09-28T02:29:08Z emaczen`: rme: Thanks 2015-09-28T02:35:49Z emaczen`: rme: Thanks, I got it to work 2015-09-28T02:51:02Z emaczen`: ls 2015-09-28T03:41:31Z emaczen` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-09-28T04:05:31Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-28T04:29:45Z consolers joined #ccl 2015-09-28T04:30:22Z consolers: pjb I didn't understand your comment 2015-09-28T04:31:06Z consolers: I fixed my code to use symbol-macrolet nest the environment, I think I'm still missing something 2015-09-28T04:32:58Z consolers: I was using (macroexpand-1 'var env) where VAR was a symbol macro defined by (symbol-macrolet ((var ... ))) 2015-09-28T04:37:27Z consolers: I think that's the correct way to do it 2015-09-28T04:52:41Z consolers quit 2015-09-28T05:35:19Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-28T08:56:09Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-28T09:34:33Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2015-09-28T10:31:00Z hlavaty quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-28T10:31:07Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2015-09-28T10:56:11Z sixbitslacker joined #ccl 2015-09-28T14:36:26Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-28T14:47:04Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-28T16:15:41Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-09-28T17:21:52Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-28T17:48:51Z hydan quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-09-28T22:03:44Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-29T01:17:16Z Intensity joined #ccl 2015-09-29T03:05:21Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-29T03:42:20Z gz quit (Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-29T04:25:25Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-29T04:25:49Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-29T04:29:11Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-29T04:29:11Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-29T04:29:23Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-29T04:29:54Z ddp left #ccl 2015-09-29T06:14:04Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-29T07:42:32Z jdz joined #ccl 2015-09-29T07:46:57Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-09-29T07:59:26Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-29T08:01:22Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-29T08:13:10Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-29T09:41:56Z szillath quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2015-09-29T09:49:02Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-29T12:22:07Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-29T12:38:13Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-29T14:37:32Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-29T14:40:32Z man213 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-29T14:41:27Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-29T14:42:50Z man213 quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-29T14:43:45Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-29T14:48:47Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-29T16:38:47Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-29T17:45:30Z man213 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-29T17:46:26Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-29T18:02:28Z Fare joined #ccl 2015-09-29T18:03:21Z Fare: hi. Can someone help me port this from sbcl to ccl? https://github.com/fare/cffi/blob/master/grovel/sbcl.lisp — that's statically linking stuff into the runtime to deliver standalone binaries that include C extensions. 2015-09-29T18:03:59Z xyh joined #ccl 2015-09-29T18:18:49Z rme: Fare: I don't think I understand. 2015-09-29T18:19:05Z rme: Is the idea to be able to something like cc main.o -lccl or something? 2015-09-29T18:21:13Z rme: or something something? 2015-09-29T18:21:21Z rme likes the word something 2015-09-29T18:25:51Z phf: judging by the -Wl,--whole-archive the goal is to have a self-contained executable with image/libraries/etc. 2015-09-29T18:26:32Z Fare: rme: more like cc -o ccl-with-foo libfoo.a libccl.a 2015-09-29T18:27:08Z Fare: yes, everything 2015-09-29T18:28:57Z phf: Fare: what are you guys up to if you don't mind me asking, it looks interesting 2015-09-29T18:29:32Z Fare: phf: just standalone executable delivery 2015-09-29T18:29:48Z Fare: but this time, including low-level extensions. 2015-09-29T18:31:18Z rme: So, is the main idea to avoid having to ship libfoo.so, then? Or is there something more? 2015-09-29T18:32:21Z Fare: yup, no libfoo.so 2015-09-29T18:32:42Z Fare: the problem is not the shipping of libfoo.so, but the administration of where to store it. 2015-09-29T18:32:56Z phf: (oh i see) 2015-09-29T18:33:13Z Fare: a single file means no configuration headaches, no debugging configurations with lusers. 2015-09-29T18:33:34Z rme: And that's pretty much it, then? (Sorry to be slow on the uptake.) 2015-09-29T18:33:43Z Fare: I suppose 2015-09-29T18:34:21Z Fare: single-file also means making it easier to ship in minimal virtualized environments 2015-09-29T18:35:51Z Fare: (which is why Google implemented the feature for SBCL to begin with — I just ported it to ASDF last week) 2015-09-29T18:38:58Z rme: So we want a way link libfoo.a into the lisp kernel binary, and have (external-call "foo_do_stuff " ...) work, it looks like. 2015-09-29T18:40:27Z Fare: yes 2015-09-29T18:42:46Z Fare: I realize I should probably be using Wl,--whole-archive always in these cases 2015-09-29T18:45:51Z man213 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-29T18:47:33Z rme: Presumably the linker flags make dlsym(RTLD_DEFAULT, "foo_do_stuff") work. 2015-09-29T18:48:46Z Fare: I believe as much 2015-09-29T18:49:15Z Fare: I admit to cargo-culting the work of my better hackers 2015-09-29T19:08:17Z Fare: so, installing a libccl.a would be a nice touch 2015-09-29T19:08:43Z Fare: btw, I still think the current svn setup sucks — but fixing it requires changing, even oh so slightly, the way gb works. 2015-09-29T19:11:48Z rme: I'm not crazy about the use of externals. The idea is to let users get sources and binaries with one command, which is a good goal. 2015-09-29T19:12:10Z rme: I work around it by checing out $repo/trunk/source as ccl, and I copy binaries into it. 2015-09-29T19:14:41Z rme: A naive attempt to bundle up the lisp kernel object files into libccl.a failed. We do things in certain .s files to set up a jump table and a function import table, and ar didn't like putting those .o files into the archive. 2015-09-29T19:17:10Z rme: I could probably make something work, but I can't say that I'm very interested in working on it just for fun. 2015-09-29T19:19:19Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-29T19:20:07Z rme: Lost him. I wonder if he even saw what I wrote. 2015-09-29T19:33:21Z Fare joined #ccl 2015-09-29T20:00:47Z xyh quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-29T21:12:39Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-29T22:51:20Z Fare joined #ccl 2015-09-29T22:58:42Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-29T23:00:21Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-29T23:00:46Z Ettore left #ccl 2015-09-30T01:04:39Z hlavaty quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-30T01:42:57Z emaczen` joined #ccl 2015-09-30T03:39:13Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-09-30T04:06:16Z mdc_mobile quit (Ping timeout: 187 seconds) 2015-09-30T04:08:18Z mdc_mobile quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-09-30T04:22:46Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-09-30T04:23:06Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-30T05:04:37Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-30T05:14:26Z emaczen` quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-30T05:47:35Z jdz joined #ccl 2015-09-30T06:31:26Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2015-09-30T06:34:04Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-30T06:37:19Z akkad joined #ccl 2015-09-30T07:44:13Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-09-30T07:57:32Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-30T07:57:48Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2015-09-30T08:56:52Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2015-09-30T13:48:49Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-30T13:50:30Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-09-30T14:37:04Z szillath quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-09-30T14:41:42Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-09-30T14:55:21Z Fare joined #ccl 2015-09-30T14:56:59Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-09-30T15:26:47Z man213 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-30T15:27:39Z man213 joined #ccl 2015-09-30T16:20:19Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-09-30T16:24:28Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-09-30T17:02:10Z man213 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-30T17:15:49Z Fare joined #ccl 2015-09-30T18:47:19Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-09-30T20:58:58Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-09-30T20:58:58Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-09-30T21:38:50Z _leb joined #ccl 2015-09-30T21:52:03Z _leb quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2015-09-30T21:52:37Z Fare quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-09-30T22:48:35Z _leb joined #ccl 2015-09-30T22:49:01Z _leb quit (Client Quit) 2015-09-30T23:01:03Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-09-30T23:16:21Z carvite quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-09-30T23:19:08Z carvite joined #ccl