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On the code http://paste.lisp.org/+393S I wonder why (funcall (factorial0) 1) won't call correctly the identity function? 2015-07-17T05:44:12Z WaREX: I have tried (funcall (f) ... ) and (funcall f ...) inside almost-factorial 2015-07-17T05:48:39Z WaREX: but if I replace (funcall (identity-) ...) inside almost-factorial, it works just fine (for the current step to implement y-combinator) 2015-07-17T05:54:44Z pjb: WaREX: ask yourself what are the types of your functions (the signatures). 2015-07-17T05:55:19Z pjb: almost-factorial: (integer->integer)->integer->integer 2015-07-17T05:55:38Z pjb: identity-: integer->integer 2015-07-17T05:56:19Z pjb: factorial0: integer->integer 2015-07-17T05:56:58Z pjb: Sorry, I miswrote. It's there results of those 0-ary functions that is of the given signature. 2015-07-17T05:57:13Z pjb: (almost-factorial) (identity-) and (factorial0). 2015-07-17T05:57:47Z pjb: So the problem is clearly that you defined factorial giving it a function that is ->(integer->integer), instead of integer->integer. 2015-07-17T05:58:32Z WaREX: pjb: factorial0 you say? 2015-07-17T05:58:38Z pjb: But (funcall (factorial0) 1) -> 0 your almost-factorial is wrong ;-) 2015-07-17T05:58:41Z pjb: yes. 2015-07-17T05:58:48Z pjb: it should be: (defun factorial0 () (funcall (almost-factorial) (identity-))) 2015-07-17T06:00:42Z pjb: well, it's not almost-factorial that is wrong. It's factorial0. You don't want identity, you want (constantly 1). 2015-07-17T06:01:11Z pjb: and this doesn't work either. 2015-07-17T06:02:22Z pjb: Right, there's no recursive call yet. 2015-07-17T06:02:44Z WaREX: pjb: well, it's the first steps to construct a y-combinator right? 2015-07-17T06:02:51Z WaREX: I hope 2015-07-17T06:03:38Z WaREX: I am translating it from a scheme exercise 2015-07-17T06:04:48Z pjb: Yes. 2015-07-17T06:21:28Z gendl__ quit (Quit: gendl__) 2015-07-17T06:35:24Z WaREX: Well it works now for the current steps... I barely understand the reason (identity-) is allowing to execute factorial0, I think I'll re-read the lisp cookbook 2015-07-17T06:35:41Z WaREX: thanks pjb 2015-07-17T06:56:21Z szillath quit (Quit: szillath) 2015-07-17T07:18:48Z pjb: identity- takes no argument. 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As I understand it, things may still work, but being picky, I thought I'd try and recompile. 2015-07-23T15:25:24Z superjudge: However, my newly built kernel just gives me a segmentation fault. 2015-07-23T15:27:27Z superjudge: I've tried to change some of the compiler flags, using the output from "gcc -mcpu=native -march=native -Q --help=target" as guidance (I have limited experience with ARM), e.g. setting arch to armv7ve and cpu to cortex-a7, everything thus far has given me segmentation faults. 2015-07-23T15:28:20Z superjudge: I have not dug very deep yet, just Googled a bit and tried the above, so I was just wondering if this is a known thing, if anyone else has seen the problem, or if anyone has some pointers to where I can dig. 2015-07-23T15:35:26Z superjudge: I should also add I am on Arch Linux for ARM. 2015-07-23T15:35:49Z superjudge: Using gcc 5.1.0. 2015-07-23T15:37:18Z pjb: It should work http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/989 2015-07-23T15:38:08Z pjb: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.openmcl.devel/8006 2015-07-23T15:38:55Z pjb: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/PlatformNotes 2015-07-23T15:39:05Z pjb: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/ReleaseNotes/1.9 2015-07-23T15:39:21Z pjb: So basically: 2015-07-23T15:39:22Z pjb: 1. cd ccl/lisp-kernel/linuxarm 2015-07-23T15:39:22Z pjb: 2. (edit float_abi.mk so that FLOAT_ABI is defined as "hard".) 2015-07-23T15:39:22Z pjb: 3. make clean 2015-07-23T15:39:25Z pjb: 4. make 2015-07-23T15:43:40Z superjudge: Yep, that's what I did, but failed. As per the links you've provided, it seems this should work, so I wonder if it may be a gcc version problem. From what I remember, there has been various bugs in the gcc tool chain for arm in the past, and it may not necessarily be a good thing to run a very recent version. 2015-07-23T15:47:02Z pjb: Yes. And also, gcc 5.1.0 implements c11, perhaps it's an incompatibility with c89? 2015-07-23T15:49:40Z superjudge: Yes. The actual compile does goes through, but with some warnings. I have not looked at them in detail yet, I will do so now. But it does produce a new kernel, which proceeds to segfault when I try to start it. 2015-07-23T15:50:02Z pjb: try to see where it segfaults. Use gdb. 2015-07-23T15:51:19Z superjudge: Yep, I will try! I now feel it was far to long since I debugged c... or not long enough maybe... :-) 2015-07-23T15:51:30Z lisse quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-07-23T16:05:30Z billstclair: superjudge: you should use the trunk version of CCL for ARM 2015-07-23T16:05:41Z superjudge: Hmm, my gdb-fu is weak, but it seems things are crashing very early. Gdb says "During startup program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault."... 2015-07-23T16:05:43Z billstclair: I think. 2015-07-23T16:06:02Z superjudge: billstclair: Ah, ok, I will give that a try! 2015-07-23T16:06:05Z billstclair: gbyers, gz? 2015-07-23T16:07:03Z billstclair: I haven’t tried CCL on my old one-core Raspberry Pi in a while. Works fine on a 4-core odroid. I don’t have the new RPi 2015-07-23T16:07:31Z billstclair: From my odroid: "Welcome to Clozure Common Lisp Version 1.11-dev-r16477M-trunk (LinuxARM32)!" 2015-07-23T16:14:22Z superjudge: OK, so the trunk version starts without giving the soft float deprecation message, nice! 2015-07-23T16:16:34Z alms_clozure quit 2015-07-23T16:16:48Z alms_clozure joined #ccl 2015-07-23T16:16:57Z gz quit 2015-07-23T16:17:14Z gz joined #ccl 2015-07-23T16:20:49Z superjudge: Recompiling still fails though. I have a strong hunch that this is a gcc issue, and not a ccl issue. 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