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2014-04-02T22:09:39Z kini: I was looking through the mailing list archives and found a couple people who were asking about that, but that was many years ago and the answers didn't seem to be relevant today 2014-04-02T22:14:42Z rme: kini: There’s no exported/supported way to do that. 2014-04-02T22:15:14Z kini: hmm, that is unfortunate... 2014-04-02T22:15:17Z kini: is there an unsupported way to do it? 2014-04-02T22:16:18Z rme: There’s an internal notion of a thing called a LAP function; if you’re interested, you can look at ccl:level-0;X86; for some source files that define LAP functions. 2014-04-02T22:16:56Z kini: ah, that was mentioned in one of the mailing list threads; I assumed that since it wasn't mentioned in the manual it was no longer relevant. But perhaps it was undocumented even back then. 2014-04-02T22:16:59Z kini: Thanks for the lead! 2014-04-02T22:17:13Z rme: There are all sorts of ways to lose big with them. You reallly have to be familiar with the details of the implementation to use them successfully. 2014-04-02T22:19:08Z rme: The main thing is probably GC-safety. You have to be extremely careful to properly use node or immediate registers at all times. 2014-04-02T22:20:45Z rme: Where by “node” I mean “contains a tagged lisp object pointer/immediate”, and by “immediate” I mean “some arbitrary machine word”. 2014-04-02T22:24:24Z kini: I believe it! Let me explain what I'm trying to do. 2014-04-02T22:24:24Z kini: I'm just a beginner (at CCL and CL generally) myself, but I've been asked to see if there's some way I could take individual functions within an ACL2 program (which runs on top of CL) and compile them down to efficient x86 code, and still have them run within the larger program 2014-04-02T22:24:24Z kini: The particular functions I'd be doing this for would be written in a very restricted subset of ACL2; for example they would not use cons, only an ACL2 "stobj" datastructure containing machine words, which as I understand it is would just be a struct sitting in memory. 2014-04-02T22:24:24Z kini: So all the assembly I'd generate would just be pushing machine words around, and hopefully not have to worry about GC. At least, that's the vague idea I have in my head :) 2014-04-02T22:25:01Z kini: I'm sure I'll run into trouble once I actually get going though! 2014-04-02T22:25:48Z rme: Hah. You always hae to worry about the GC. 2014-04-02T22:28:24Z kini starts to worry :) 2014-04-02T22:29:54Z rme: Do you have to make lisp functions? Or can you compile the ACL2 to a C-style function? If so, you might be able to write the generated code to a heap ivector or malloc-ed foreign storage, and then call it with ccl:%ff-call. 2014-04-02T22:30:43Z kini: that's certainly an idea! 2014-04-02T22:33:06Z rme: Yes, well, ideas are cheap. I’m sure you’ll run into many interesting problems. 2014-04-02T22:33:18Z rme goes off to dinner 2014-04-02T22:33:41Z kini: thanks :) 2014-04-02T22:45:23Z DataLinkDroid joined #ccl 2014-04-02T22:51:37Z bhyde quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-04-02T23:05:41Z Adlai quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-04-02T23:10:17Z Adlai joined #ccl 2014-04-03T00:19:14Z Kenjin joined #ccl 2014-04-03T01:16:00Z Kenjin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-03T01:34:32Z PuffTheMagic quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-04-03T01:57:08Z gbyers quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-04-03T02:09:29Z gbyers joined #ccl 2014-04-03T02:26:29Z Kenjin joined #ccl 2014-04-03T02:31:17Z Kenjin quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2014-04-03T06:49:08Z DataLinkDroid quit (Quit: Disconnecting -- bye) 2014-04-03T07:05:09Z jaimef quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-04-03T07:05:23Z Kenjin joined #ccl 2014-04-03T07:14:24Z jaimef joined #ccl 2014-04-03T08:14:01Z jdz joined #ccl 2014-04-03T09:21:14Z jdz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-04-03T09:24:29Z loicbsd joined #ccl 2014-04-03T10:41:07Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 186 seconds) 2014-04-03T10:42:30Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-04-03T10:42:51Z rme_ joined #ccl 2014-04-03T11:14:07Z jdz joined #ccl 2014-04-03T11:30:25Z Kenjin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-03T11:55:48Z Kenjin joined #ccl 2014-04-03T12:09:19Z krkini joined #ccl 2014-04-03T12:10:55Z kini quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 2014-04-03T13:20:58Z Kenjin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-03T13:21:49Z segv- joined #ccl 2014-04-03T13:48:01Z Kenjin joined #ccl 2014-04-03T13:54:00Z hlavaty quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-03T14:30:14Z Kenjin quit 2014-04-03T14:41:24Z jdz quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-04-03T16:28:26Z slarti joined #ccl 2014-04-03T17:20:19Z MikeD_ joined #ccl 2014-04-03T17:21:02Z MikeD_: has anyone (else) ever come in here looking for CCL = Cerner Control Language ? 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If it references sbcl-specific packages, you'll have to conditionalize those or replace with a portable library 2014-04-28T20:46:16Z billstclair: I've never used buildapp. All QuickLisp now 2014-04-28T20:46:27Z billstclair: Which uses ASDF 2014-04-28T21:07:16Z konrads1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-04-28T21:10:49Z segv- quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-28T21:22:16Z segv- joined #ccl 2014-04-28T21:31:34Z konrads joined #ccl 2014-04-28T21:33:50Z konrads1 joined #ccl 2014-04-28T21:36:17Z konrads quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2014-04-28T21:47:47Z konrads1: billstclair: thanks, almost got it, but some stuff references sbcl directly not from makefiles 2014-04-28T21:47:50Z konrads1: battle for another day 2014-04-28T22:05:57Z konrads1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-04-28T22:08:56Z shigoel quit (Quit: shigoel) 2014-04-28T22:38:09Z konrads joined #ccl 2014-04-28T22:38:51Z konrads1 joined #ccl 2014-04-28T22:39:10Z segv- quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-28T22:42:24Z konrads quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-04-28T22:54:32Z konrads1 quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-04-28T22:58:11Z stantona quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-28T23:03:11Z stantona joined #ccl 2014-04-28T23:11:27Z shigoel joined #ccl 2014-04-28T23:22:59Z leo2007 joined #ccl 2014-04-28T23:25:30Z stantona quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-28T23:31:51Z stantona joined #ccl 2014-04-28T23:59:41Z leo2007: after (require :objc-support) where are the fasl files placed? 2014-04-29T00:00:05Z leo2007: that requires takes about 12s on my machine 2014-04-29T00:00:10Z leo2007: require* 2014-04-29T00:00:23Z pjb: AFAIK, those fasl files are in the ccl src directory. 2014-04-29T00:08:28Z leo2007: `require' doesn't seem to compile the modules it loads. 2014-04-29T00:10:07Z jaimef: isn't that sbcl? 2014-04-29T00:11:39Z leo2007: what is? 2014-04-29T00:12:22Z leo2007: I find no compiled (fasl) files in CCL's installation. 2014-04-29T00:12:44Z leo2007: there are only two big .image files. 2014-04-29T00:14:32Z pjb: .lx64fsl or some other .*fsl files. 2014-04-29T00:15:29Z leo2007: oddly I have none of them. 2014-04-29T00:18:20Z shigoel quit (Quit: shigoel) 2014-04-29T00:18:40Z pjb: Indeed, there's none in the source directory. That's a good thing. 2014-04-29T00:18:52Z stantona quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-29T00:19:09Z leo2007: but there is none anywhere 2014-04-29T00:19:33Z leo2007: I mean for the included modules. 2014-04-29T00:20:10Z pjb: Yes. 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I need to call _LSCopyAllApplicationURLs from LaunchServices 2014-04-30T01:46:54Z rme: Well, that’s just a C function, right? 2014-04-30T01:47:45Z rme: (rlet ((urls (:* :id))) 2014-04-30T01:47:45Z rme: (external-call "_LSCopyAllApplicationURLs" :address urls) 2014-04-30T01:47:46Z rme: (%get-ptr urls)) 2014-04-30T01:48:39Z rme: _LSCopyAllApplicationURLs is evidently private, so you can't use #_ 2014-04-30T01:48:49Z rme: It's necessary to use external-call instead. 2014-04-30T01:49:37Z leo2007: rme: i see; thanks a lot for that. I did try #_ first. 2014-04-30T01:52:15Z leo2007: I get a warning that applicationservices/types.cdb doesn't exist. 2014-04-30T01:52:25Z leo2007: but it appears to work. 2014-04-30T02:21:23Z leo2007: My goal is then to convert the urls MutableArray to a list of strings for use in lisp. Is it sensible to use #/componentsJoinedByString:? 2014-04-30T02:22:34Z rme: just use (%get-cfstring (#/path url))\ 2014-04-30T02:27:48Z leo2007: that requires a way to iterate over urls. ideas? 2014-04-30T02:29:45Z rme: (dotimes (i (#/count urls)) (do-whatever (#/objectAtIndex: urls i))) 2014-04-30T02:31:08Z rme: Hillegass's book is a good introduction. Older editions use manual memory management (instead of ARC), so you might be able to get a cheap copy. http://www.amazon.com/Cocoa-Programming-Mac-3rd-Edition/dp/0321503619 2014-04-30T02:34:01Z leo2007: rme: OK and thanks. I was thinking there is a lispy way to do that. 2014-04-30T04:13:07Z shigoel joined #ccl 2014-04-30T04:21:57Z leo2007: why #_LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL or #/LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL failed? 2014-04-30T05:13:13Z gbyers: #/ is used to invoke an ObjC method, and afaik no such method exists, #_ is used to call a foreign function; if that fails (returns a null pointer), that's probably because the function doesn't like its arguments, I'd have to use That Google Thing to see if I could find out why ... 2014-04-30T05:16:11Z leo2007: gbyers: thanks a lot. My bad. #_?LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL returns T 2014-04-30T05:16:44Z leo2007: I tried #'#_LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL and it throws an error undefined function ... 2014-04-30T05:17:34Z Hydan quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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To iterate over the elements of a NSArray, you use (donsarray (element array) (something element)) of course. 2014-04-30T08:01:21Z leo2007: pjb: thanks for that. 2014-04-30T08:02:15Z leo2007: pjb: are the pointers created in rlet automatically released? 2014-04-30T08:03:02Z leo2007: I executed a function 100 times and the mem use as in the activity monitor goes up 30M. 2014-04-30T08:17:23Z pjb: It would depend on how you create them. 2014-04-30T08:17:38Z pjb: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/MemoryMgmt/Articles/MemoryMgmt.html 2014-04-30T08:17:50Z pjb: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/general/conceptual/devpedia-cocoacore/MemoryManagement.html 2014-04-30T08:19:22Z loicbsd joined #ccl 2014-04-30T08:19:29Z pjb: There's also the question of ARC. I don't know how the Objective-C Bridge integrate with ARC. Probably it doesn't do anything, but Objective-C library loaded into ccl may still use it I guess. 2014-04-30T08:20:19Z pjb: leo2007: The Objective-C Bridge normally wraps the Objective-C references in a Lisp object, that's garbage collected, and that should perform the retain and release needed I guess. 2014-04-30T08:23:50Z pjb: So the question is whether you get wrapped lisp objects, or whether you get raw macptrs: (#/string ns:ns-string) # 2014-04-30T08:25:13Z pjb: Perhaps I'm wrong here. I've written my own wrappers doing the retaining. 2014-04-30T08:25:13Z pjb: 2014-04-30T08:28:27Z leo2007: whenever a ns function expects an nsstring, I make one using with-encoded-cstrs then stringWithUTF8String 2014-04-30T08:29:00Z pjb: notice the difference between [NSString stringWithUTF8String:x] and [[NSString alloc] initWithUTF8String:x]. 2014-04-30T08:30:27Z leo2007: my bad objc:make-nsstring already does this 2014-04-30T08:31:41Z pjb: leo2007: I don't know, I use (objcl:objcl-string "hello") and (objcl:lisp-string (objcl:objcl-string "hello")). 2014-04-30T08:32:16Z pjb: I should rename objcl:objcl-string to objcl:objc-string… 2014-04-30T08:33:23Z leo2007: unfortunately it is quite hard to work with the bridge effectively without good understanding of both. 2014-04-30T08:33:33Z leo2007: and the documentation seems scarce. 2014-04-30T08:34:38Z pjb: I'd want to make a portable general objc bridge… 2014-04-30T08:35:40Z leo2007: pjb: that would be awesome. you only have one end to figure out (objc). for me it is both cl and objc. 2014-04-30T08:36:13Z pjb: Actually, there are several different Objective-C implementations, and different versions of them at that. This is not the easy part. 2014-04-30T08:36:27Z pjb: This is the reason why we already have several bridges, all more or less obsolete. 2014-04-30T08:37:49Z leo2007: make it work on mac first 2014-04-30T08:38:43Z pjb: Now, if you create your strings with stringWith…, it's autoreleased. But for that you need an autorelease pool. On a lisp thread, you probably don't have it (have a look at *inferior-lisp*. 2014-04-30T08:39:04Z pjb: So you would have first to allocate an autorelease pool, and then periodically flush it. 2014-04-30T08:39:42Z pjb: leo2007: probably not. there reference implementation would rather be gcc on linux for gnustep. 2014-04-30T08:40:49Z brucem: The Objective C 2.0 runtime on OS X and iOS is actually pretty nice. 2014-04-30T08:46:16Z slarti quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2014-04-30T08:54:06Z pjb: I don't deny it. But it's TOO specific to Cocoa! 2014-04-30T09:19:59Z segv- quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-04-30T09:20:43Z Hydan joined #ccl 2014-04-30T09:33:54Z loicbsd quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-04-30T10:08:26Z leo2007: what do you use for NULL, (ccl:%null-ptr)? 2014-04-30T10:12:16Z Hydan quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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