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There's always #lisp, after all. 20:51:32 sure. I find specbot handy, but your call. 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16:10:48 (i tried to find some info on the wiki) 16:10:51 i've* 16:11:51 i'm thinking of porting some stuff to ccl .. and dumping cores and combining them with mozillas prism project .. to have desktop'y UI for applications 16:21:58 not sure what defines a core, but dppccl in the full Clozure CL app is 17.4MB 16:22:49 alright, thanks 16:26:13 -!- p2 [n=annjones@88-106-133-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 16:38:43 -!- okflo [n=user@62-47-180-167.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:49:35 lnostdal: without source location info you can make it smaller 16:49:47 (haven't done this in a while so i don't remember how much smaller) 16:50:21 and, other than the image, you'll need the runtime as well (600KB) 16:54:13 ok, not a lot smaller (16MB) 16:55:01 16mb ain't bad .. 16:55:10 compressed it'll probably be very small 16:55:35 SBCL cores go from around 50mb (with some libraries included, and full debugging etc.) to about 9-10mb when compressed with bzip2 16:59:40 lnostdal: i didn't expect it but you're right, 2.6MB for a bzip2 -9'd image 17:00:21 nice :) 17:01:25 would there be any advantage to compressing the image? (we already can combine image+runtime in the same elf, so we could, technically, bz2 the image as well) 17:08:04 i don't know ccl tbh. .. but .. maybe an option .. (sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die ... :compress t :executable t ...) 17:08:11 would be an idea 17:08:12 :) 17:08:23 of course, but i don't really see why one would want to do that. 17:08:26 as in; it could include a decompressor with the runtime 17:08:33 of course, but why? 17:08:49 it would slow down startup time (which isn't an issue afaik) 17:09:07 i'm wondering if the 10% image size would have any other benifits that would make the work worth it. 17:10:07 i dunno ..... well .. people like compact software .. but maybe it is "pointless"; it uses the same amount of memory anyway .. so .. 17:10:41 sorry, i don't mean to say that the idea is pointless, i'm just wondering if there's a more compelling reason than "because i can" 17:11:12 obviously asking people to download a 3.4MB executable is better than downloading a 17MB executable, but how much better? 17:11:30 ah, yeah .. that's the only benefit i see atm. 17:12:02 maybe it's silly .. seeing as other things would need to be included anyway .. external libraries etc. 17:12:09 ..a "package" 17:12:15 and unzipping a bzip9'd file takes .8 seconds, that's a huge amount of time compared to ccl's stratup time. 17:12:17 ..which itself probably should be compressed 17:12:35 lnostdal: anything loaded in memory when you call save-application would be compressed. 17:12:37 ..and decompressed .. once; during install 17:12:43 obviously any fasls you load after startup would not be. 17:13:02 no, if we make the ccl kernel do the decompression it's done everytime at startup. 17:13:17 otherwise it's easier to just compress the files yourself in your release processes. 17:13:22 yup 17:13:58 though i guess that .8 seconds includes writing out 17MB to disk, so who knows what the real time difference would be 17:14:02 yeah ... know what .. this should be solved "outside" .. in a wrapper type of thing .. in an "installer" .. ithink 17:14:19 so NOTABUG it is. 17:14:38 yeah, but it's nice to know though .. that things are very much "compressable" .. :) 17:18:32 oh .. and uncompressed @ 16mb is also nice to know .. i'm thinking memory use here .. hmmm .. which i assume somewhat matches this 17:19:24 well, the memory use doesn't change if the image is compressed on disk or not 17:19:32 i know this 17:20:02 ok, so what's the memory use you're thinking about? 17:21:25 i think we keep talking past each other .... 17:21:43 possible :) 17:22:05 the basic dump to disk is 16mb, right? .. so i assume around 16mb for memory also 17:22:13 no. 17:22:16 oh 17:22:22 how does that work? 17:22:50 the ccl image will allocate more memory than the image takes up on file (otherwise cons would fail immediately) 17:23:07 or lets say you need to grow a hash table, whatever. 17:23:11 ah, yes 17:23:19 extra heap space 17:23:42 ability to move around initially .. i guess :) 19:17:33 -!- lisppaste5 [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Want lisppaste5 in your channel? 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MCL compressed itself on startup in 1988 or so, so it's clearly doable ... 00:44:26 is there a site where i can paste error messages? 00:45:40 http://paste.lisp.org/ 00:46:35 http://paste.lisp.org/display/65556 00:46:56 i'm trying to get the opengl example to run 01:03:06 Hm. Looks like trunk changes have busted that example. It does work on the 1.2 release branch. 01:04:34 thanks 01:05:19 I'll take a quick look. 01:08:38 it works in the trunk, too. There were trunk changes a few weeks ago that broke foreign symbol lookup; they were fixed soon after they were introduced. 01:08:54 for some value of "soon". 01:11:14 svn: URL 'http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/releases' doesn't exist 01:11:29 release, not releases 01:11:36 er sorry, i mean: svn: URL 'http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/releases/1.2/darwinx8664/ccl' doesn't exist 01:12:03 oh 01:12:04 great 01:12:18 someone should fix http://ccl.clozure.com/manual/chapter2.2.html#id458902 01:12:25 it's plural there 01:12:41 Someone did; it hasn't been automatically rebuilt. 01:13:11 (sorry) 01:13:16 np 01:17:37 Am I missing something, or do we need an lriu vinsn for x8664? 01:19:40 Possibly, I haven't tried to build on x8664. 01:20:08 OK, then we do. I'll add one. 01:22:48 We probably don't need it that much ... the thing that decides between the signed/unsigned version isn't very smart. 01:25:47 It's just a copy of regular LRI. The only difference is that the constant is :u64const and not :s64const. This actually mattered on x8632, but I doubt if the need for the distinction comes up on x8664. 01:27:19 #xffffffffffffffff as an unsigned constant, but the existing code probably doesn't handle that anyway. 01:33:54 rme: thanks 01:34:48 sellout- [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 01:35:00 glad to be useful 01:35:23 trivial fixes for the win 01:38:06 -!- maxharris [n=maxharri@eagleheights-119-88.resnet.wisc.edu] has quit [] 02:07:59 -!- alms [n=alms@146-115-31-121.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 02:11:14 maxharris [n=maxharri@eagleheights-119-88.resnet.wisc.edu] has joined #ccl 02:18:16 maxharris: any luck ? 02:18:37 sorry - everything's fine 02:18:43 i downloaded the 1.2 release 02:18:55 thanks for helping me! 02:19:42 It'd also work in the trunk; the lisp kernel in the trunk has a bug that was fixed in source but the binary's a few weeks old. 02:27:28 alms [n=alms@146-115-31-121.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 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It's probably best to send him mail. 21:45:04 -!- raffaelc [n=raffaelc@c-24-61-44-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:18:16 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com] has joined #ccl 02:18:16 02:18:16 -!- names: ccl-logbot H4ns lynx` rme segv_ H4ns1 hypno gbyers billstclair lisppaste5 jsnell @ChanServ chandler bfulgham lnostdal mdc_ gz 02:25:46 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0EEDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:03:28 mikesch [n=axel@xdsl-87-78-7-201.netcologne.de] has joined #ccl 06:26:55 -!- mikesch [n=axel@xdsl-87-78-7-201.netcologne.de] has quit [] 06:51:13 -!- rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-86-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:34:34 mikesch [n=axel@tmo-120-131.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #ccl 07:46:40 mikesch_ [n=axel@tmo-109-2.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #ccl 08:12:41 -!- mikesch [n=axel@tmo-120-131.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:22:08 -!- mikesch_ [n=axel@tmo-109-2.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:23:38 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0DA1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 08:43:59 mikesch [n=axel@static-87-79-66-80.netcologne.de] has joined #ccl 09:19:11 H4ns [n=Hans@p57BB9FDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ccl 09:46:53 it is a bit too early to report problems with the darwin-x86-32 binary right? 09:47:12 Depends on the problem ... 09:47:40 well, it doesn't boot at all on tiger for me. :( 09:47:57 dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _getrlimit$UNIX2003 09:48:01 Haven't tried that. 09:48:04 i have a feeling it was built on leopard? 09:48:38 Yes. Can you compile the kernel yourself on Tiger ? If so, does it work ? 09:49:40 oh, i thought that i had to have a working ccl before i could rebuild my system. 09:50:21 The C/assembler sources in the lisp kernel should be compilable as long as you have xcode or equivalent installed. 09:50:43 shell> cd lisp-kernel/darwinx8662; make 09:51:26 ah, excellent. 09:51:56 Not 100% sure that it'll compile cleanly; Apple decided to rename a bunch of stuff for Leopard. 09:53:04 ok, i'll give it a shoot. i'll also mess with the freebsd version to get it going on netbsd then. 09:55:59 The Tiger/Leopard thing can be made to work; same problem for PPC and x86-64, and we just have to be careful about compiler options and how we refer to some things. 09:58:10 H4ns1 [n=Hans@p57BBA0B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ccl 10:11:57 it started out well, but i fault in lisp-debug.c, complaining about no member "__ss", "__fs" in struct mcontext. 10:12:49 Yes. In Tiger, no __ on those field names. 10:13:03 I'll try to remember to fix it soon. 10:13:17 ah. it looks pretty local to xpGPR(). 10:15:00 They're fields in mcontext records; there's probably some code in x86-exceptions.c that references them directly. There are ways to persuade the C compiler to always use the Tiger versions of those names. 10:16:37 -!- H4ns [n=Hans@p57BB9FDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:20:07 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 10:28:52 blistering barnacles! i think i got it going. :D 10:47:21 "blistering barnacles" i'm writing that down someplace 10:58:13 Did you just strip off the __ prefixes ? 11:06:33 -!- bfulgham [n=brent@wsip-72-215-191-226.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:06:52 bfulgham [n=brent@wsip-72-215-191-226.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ccl 11:21:20 gbyers: yupp. 14:32:15 -!- segv_ [n=mb@p4FC1DD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:33:10 segv_ [n=mb@p4FC1F9B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ccl 16:12:56 rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-86-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 16:27:00 -!- mikesch [n=axel@static-87-79-66-80.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:36:32 mikesch [n=axel@tmo-124-22.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #ccl 17:15:10 mikesch_ [n=axel@xdsl-87-78-7-201.netcologne.de] has joined #ccl 17:19:28 -!- mikesch [n=axel@tmo-124-22.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43:12 -!- mikesch_ [n=axel@xdsl-87-78-7-201.netcologne.de] has quit [] 18:29:28 alms [n=alms@146-115-31-121.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 20:53:42 Do you think a CIA client could be run on this channel so we could see all of your check-ins? 20:56:04 If you go to http://trac.clozure.com/openmcl/timeline you can use an RSS reader to monitor check-ins. 20:56:19 I don't know what a CIA client is. Is it http://cia.vc/ ? 20:56:57 rme: Exactly 20:57:13 Okay -- the RSS should be fine. 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