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2017-05-04T13:19:57Z phoe: How can I tell CCL on Windows to load a new ASDF.lisp?
2017-05-04T13:20:08Z phoe: Just LOADing the filename ends up with conflicts.
2017-05-04T13:20:45Z phoe: > Error: Name conflict detected by EXPORT :
2017-05-04T13:20:45Z phoe: >        EXPORT'ing RESOLVE-LOCATION from #1=#<Package "ASDF"> would cause a name conflict with
2017-05-04T13:20:48Z phoe: >        the inherited symbol UIOP/CONFIGURATION:RESOLVE-LOCATION in the package #<Package "ASDF/USER">, which uses #1#.
2017-05-04T13:37:20Z phoe: Okay, I got it.
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2017-05-04T14:03:41Z phoe: https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/blob/ff3a498d522ef76708cef4eb8b73dc5783914d4d/level-1/linux-files.lisp#L1887
2017-05-04T14:03:52Z phoe: I need some help.
2017-05-04T14:03:59Z phoe: I'm spawning a process but its window does not show up on Windows.
2017-05-04T14:10:05Z phoe: To reproduce: on Windows, download the client for the game Furcadia, https://cms.furcadia.com/ars/v31c/v31c/zipfile?format=zip&dlid=c277df9b4d535e8a386491703b26f2a7&jcompat=my.zip
2017-05-04T14:10:14Z phoe: Then in CCL run (CCL:RUN-PROGRAM "C:/Furcadia/Furcadia.exe" "")
2017-05-04T14:12:45Z phoe: the process is there, but the main window is not spawned.
2017-05-04T14:12:56Z phoe: All later windows spawn fine though.
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2017-05-04T16:45:03Z sabetts: any idea why running code in the CCL Ide would slow down if I switch to another app and then speed up when I focus the Listener window?
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2017-05-04T17:12:11Z fe[nl]ix: sabetts: on OSX ?
2017-05-04T17:12:18Z sabetts: yeah
2017-05-04T17:12:35Z fe[nl]ix: smells like a battery optimization
2017-05-04T17:13:08Z fe[nl]ix: as in Cocoa slowing down the main loop of background windows
2017-05-04T17:13:19Z sabetts: Yeah, it is on a laptop but it's plugged in...
2017-05-04T17:14:31Z fe[nl]ix: of even maybe the window manager lowering the scheduler priority or such programs
2017-05-04T17:16:31Z sabetts: yeah, you'd think in that case that the numbers from (time ...) would return the save values
2017-05-04T17:16:34Z sabetts: *same
2017-05-04T17:16:44Z sabetts: at least the user and system times
2017-05-04T17:17:34Z sabetts: But I get 181s in user mode and 9s in system mode when the listener is focused
2017-05-04T17:17:50Z sabetts: and 269s user mode and 13s system mode when it's not focused
2017-05-04T17:18:33Z sabetts: which doesn't quite fit with the "OS is deprioritizing background apps" theory...
2017-05-04T17:21:22Z fe[nl]ix: pretty cool bug, though :D
2017-05-04T17:22:48Z sabetts: ya something weird is happening...
2017-05-04T17:23:31Z sabetts: the thing is is the real time values returned by (time ...) does not account for the increase in user mode time
2017-05-04T17:24:17Z sabetts: so in addition to taking more user mode time, realtime - user+sys+gc is much larger when running in the background
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2017-05-04T23:33:14Z rme_: phoe: There is some special case in Windows where the first call to ShowWindow is ignored.  This is based on some attribute of the process.  See the comments in ccl:examples;mswin.lisp
2017-05-04T23:33:36Z rme_: Maybe that's what's happening to you.
2017-05-04T23:47:24Z rme_: sabetts: There's a Mac OS feature called App Nap.  The "Energy" tab of Activity Monitor.app is supposed to show you whether a process is in the App Nap state.  You could try that to see if that's what's happening on your system.