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In this case that's nil. 17:23:45 If I call disable-clos-optimizations, it doesn't believe there are any optimizations in place because *clos-optimizations-active* is nil, so it won't undo them. 17:23:45 Am I correctly understanding how this currently works? 17:56:33 sellout- [~Adium@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ccl 18:04:01 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-157-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:36 asedeno 19:59:54 asedeno_work: historically, it was supposed to be called with :KNOWN-SEALED-WORLD T, though that's ignored. 21:02:24 -!- alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: alms_] 21:17:31 Yeah, that's how we still call it, but I noticed it was ignored these days and was looking to update our code in that area. 21:18:36 I noticed that when I dropped it, I didn't get the cerror about turning off optimizations, thought that was great, and then thought about it some more and grew concerned. 21:40:28 -!- erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has quit [Quit: erikc] 21:49:24 -!- asedeno_work [asedeno@nat/google/x-kharsfpshvhdudik] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 21:50:12 asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-btzhvzcvjbvujuxy] has joined #ccl 21:56:12 -!- sellout- [~Adium@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:49 -!- asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-btzhvzcvjbvujuxy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:31 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gygftqfcyouxocfh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:07:11 asedeno [asedeno@nat/google/x-jfatdcpuokgqyupb] has joined #ccl 22:07:27 -!- gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-55-248.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:19 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-55-248.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 22:32:03 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:56 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 23:05:54 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.15.117] has joined #ccl 23:07:27 Hi! Currently, if we save an image, all references to NSObjects become dead pointers right? But what about lisp subclasses of NSObjects? 23:07:49 (by save-application). 23:13:51 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.146.15.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:28:28 ddp [~ddp@71-83-115-6.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #ccl 23:30:47 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.36.13] has joined #ccl 23:50:38 Classes defined by (DEFCLASS ... (:metaclass ns:+ns-object)) are effectively preserved when an image is saved.