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I am a noob trying to setup CCL+EMacs+SLIME on Mountain Lion 16:32:14 I installed CCL from App Store, Emacs 24 from the net 16:32:48 quicklisp as usual and slime using quick load. It asked me to add some entries to .emacs which i did 16:32:54 rsriniva: The App Store CCL doesn't currently let you run from the command-line, which makes it harder (but not impossible) to use with SLIME. 16:33:20 aah i see. I did a symlink to the .app folder and am able to launch ccl64 from cmd line 16:33:36 i added the full path to ccl64 in .emacs file 16:33:57 when i launch emacs and M-x slime. it launches the ccl64 REPL in a separate window 16:34:25 my question is how to run everything within emacs - like lisp in a box 16:36:08 i also get this annoying msg in the inferior lisp window 16:36:10 Polling "/var/folders/ff/fb5ycl4142nc0m_cw4l46s140000gn/T/slime.39008" .. 58 (Abort with `M-x slime-abort-connection'.) 16:36:15 rsriniva: The easiest way is to download CCL from the Clozure site. 16:36:25 gotcha 16:36:45 Otherwise, you need to start CCL, load/start SWANK, then use `slime-connect` instead of `slime`. 16:37:07 then i can launch ccl64 and it shows a plain ol cmd line REPL? 16:37:14 That is actually similar to what I do for LispWorks (using a script), since their free version doesn't allow command-line use. 16:37:32 rsriniva: Yep. And you can just point slime at that ccl64 and you should be golden. 16:37:59 thanks sellout! will give this a try 16:39:06 -!- rsriniva [~rsriniva@117.192.126.45] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:49:13 -!- hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:48 dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 16:54:06 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:19 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-55-248.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 18:22:09 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 18:54:15 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-tuydzdqsqahuhdxt] has joined #ccl 18:55:27 has something changed in CCL 1.9 regarding repeatability guarantees in iterating over maps? 18:55:32 s/maps/hash-tables/ 19:02:39 alms__ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #ccl 19:04:11 -!- alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04:11 -!- alms__ is now known as alms_ 19:04:32 -!- alms_ is now known as alms 19:20:10 jsj [~johan@unaffiliated/jsj] has joined #ccl 19:26:06 are two consecutive iterations over the same hash-table guaranteed to happen in the same order? 19:26:29 No. 19:28:34 There were some bug fixes to hash tables which would make them rehash more (more precisely, there used to be some cases where rehashing wouldn't happen even if needed, and now it does). Rehashing will certainly change the order. 19:29:20 dlw is not here anymore to be blamed for assuming the order is always preserved. 19:29:22 thanks 19:31:30 OR maybe -- does sxhash now have collisions on small values? 19:33:02 yup -- (equal (sxhash 12) (sxhash 13)) ==> T 19:35:51 alms__ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #ccl 19:36:58 -!- alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:37:20 It didn't in 1.8? 19:37:44 -!- alms__ is now known as alms_ 19:43:50 dunno. 19:44:41 It doesn't on my 1.8-r15286M LinuxX8632 install 19:44:48 he uses stable sort with something like that -- so it seems both the order has changed and the sxhash equality, or something. 19:45:31 personally, I find it distasteful that the sxhash of two small values be equal 19:49:12 Experimentally, it looks like (only) sxhash of 2n and 2n+1 are equal. That's not too bad. It's not like all fixnums are equal... 19:50:47 not too bad, but still not great. Who am I to say, though? 19:51:22 looks to me like that's a lot of collisions going to happen in practice. 19:53:02 CCL::STRIP-TAG-TO-FIXNUM 19:53:43 it was an "interesting" bug to find 19:53:57 I miss the bugger. 19:56:53 interesting also that probe-file no longer seems to merge with *default-pathname-defaults*, but only with getcwd 19:57:00 I don't know whether that's a feature or a bug. 19:57:39 but that's certainly surprising. 19:58:06 I apologize for not testing CCL 1.9 earlier 19:59:42 What you're saying about PROBE-FILE would be interesting if it was true, but I don't know that it is. 20:00:20 dioxirane [~conundrum@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #ccl 20:00:35 (getcwd) ==> not / . (let ((*d-p-d* #p"/")) (probe-file "tmp")) ==> not #p"/tmp/" 20:01:12 I think it's a bug, I know what caused it (I did it). 20:02:14 (let* ((*default-pathname-defaults* #p".lisp")) (probe-file "home:ccl-init")) => path to my init file. So it's not a case of not doing MERGE-PATHNAMES. 20:03:34 works for me on ccl 1.9 r15581, not on 15773 20:04:45 in any case, something fishy worth fixing and/or documenting. 20:04:59 -!- dioxirane [~conundrum@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:05:06 Yes, can you please enter it in trac? Also the request for sxhash to not collide on small values. Thanks. 20:05:14 Yep. Well then, let's blame gz. 20:05:49 I blame gz. She took some of the food I wanted yesterday. That's a scandal. 20:06:57 It was worth it. 20:13:44 dioxirane [~GZK@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #ccl 20:19:42 -!- dioxirane [~GZK@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:19:50 1069, 1070 20:35:33 gz: will you handle 1070 (probe-file) ? 20:39:59 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 20:41:56 if 1070 is a bug, can it be fixed in the 1.9 branch? Looks like it's affecting qres a lot. 20:42:08 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:52:25 It'll likely affect lots of things besides qres, too. 21:09:51 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 21:17:53 and of course, my package punt when upgrading from old ASDF caused qres to fail to build, lest I (in-package :asdf) again after I upgrade. 21:18:30 I believe the bugs in ASDF that required the punt have been fixed. Only CLISP is unrecoverably doomed (and CMUCL, because of PCL issues). 21:30:09 -!- alms_ [~alms_@173-162-137-153-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:24:30 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.159.219.127] has joined #ccl 22:46:24 -!- xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:57:59 xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #ccl 22:58:22 -!- xristos is now known as Guest84896 23:16:42 ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-81-244-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 23:20:50 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-81-244-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:21:13 ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-81-244-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 23:25:30 -!- jsj [~johan@unaffiliated/jsj] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:40 alms_ [~alms_@209-6-130-32.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 23:32:26 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-002-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:35 gb: thanks for the fix. Will it be backported to 1.9 ? 23:43:17 gz: thanks! 23:43:27 is it going to be backported to 1.9 ? 23:43:54 Likely, in a few days. 23:44:38 wonderful