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It only works as a double-clickable Mac application. Just grab ccl from http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html 17:27:20 yeah okay 17:28:34 ddp [~ddp@71-83-116-105.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #ccl 17:28:41 That is, if you launch it from the CLI, it will still launch the GUI. 17:28:59 Now, there's nothing specific to Clozure.app or ccl in ~/.emacs 17:29:40 Think of the chaos that'd result if you could do what you wanted to with things from the App Store. Won't someone think of the children ? 17:30:19 You can (setf inferior-lisp-program "/Applications/Clozure CL.app/Contents/MacOS/dx86cl64") and M-x slime it. 17:30:59 That is what I was wondering. I was wondering if that is in any way better than just installing yourself. 17:31:19 But I prefer to put (ql:quickload :swank) (let ((swank::*loopback-interface* "192.168.7.4") (port (+ 4005 (random 123)))) (swank:create-server :port port)) ; in ~/ccl-init.lisp and M-x slime-connect to it from my emacs on linux. 17:31:46 Quadrescence: Or you can use the normal ccl, and (require :cocoa) when needed. 17:32:45 *Quadrescence* just got a Mac, and is just figuring how things ought to work. 17:33:48 Notice there's a bug, with slime and ccl and cocoa: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/954 17:34:54 ie. you must (require :cocoa) before M-x slime-connect. 17:35:43 But if you use slime on MacOSX and M-x slime RET, you can (require :cocoa) after obviously. 17:36:11 err, no, it will bug. 17:36:45 So, all in all, for now it's not bad that Clozure CL.app always boot the GUI :-) 17:39:24 Quadrescence: There's nothing about the Mac App Store version that makes it superior to the version you'd get from the download page. The Mac App Store version is there for two reasons: 1. to test whether I could do it, and 2. it might make it easier for people to try out ccl. 17:40:11 rme, oh, I don't object to having it in the app store at all. I think it's a great idea. 17:42:55 Yes, it's a great way to deploy a lisp app on MacOSX: let the users get Clozure CL.app from the appstore, and load your files. (or publish your app on the appstore, Clozure CL.app having solved the technical problem). 17:45:49 -!- ddp [~ddp@71-83-116-105.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:54 pjb: has anyone but you experienced the problem described in ticket:954 ? If so, do you think that they've just ignored it or kept silent about it ? Or do you think that it might have something to do with particular versions of whatever you're using and how they interact ? 17:46:03 ddp [~ddp@anon-134-6.relakks.com] has joined #ccl 17:46:06 -!- ddp [~ddp@anon-134-6.relakks.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:48:43 rme, so you were the one who packaged it up for the app store? 17:48:51 yes 17:51:23 cheers! 17:51:32 how much did it cost to do? 17:51:34 gbyers: I don't know if anyone else has this problem. If you wish, I'll try again without loading anything else than swank. 17:56:41 Or show a backtrace, or mention what versions of what things you're using, or something other than "I got a crash. Guess why," I tried to reproduce the problem and couldn't, and I'd guess that if anyone else had seen it they'd have said so. 17:57:18 The versions are mentionned in the logs: "Welcome to Clozure Common Lisp Version 1.8 (DarwinX8632)! " etc. 17:59:21 And all versions of all of the random CL packages you load are identical. I see. 17:59:58 No, but I'll provide a better bug report as soon as I can. 17:59:58 Quadrescence: Just the $99 fee to be a Mac Developer (which I had already as part of my regular work), and a day or two of work to make some minor changes and to figure out code signing and app store packaging rules. 18:07:49 billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-20-138.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #ccl 18:07:49 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-20-138.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:07:50 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 18:09:30 -!- wws [wws@clozure-B4194091.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 18:10:26 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-59-110.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:55 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48:56 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12:52 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ccl 20:43:40 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 21:23:05 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:17 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 21:32:22 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:33:32 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 22:35:45 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 22:47:29 rme_ [~rme@50.43.136.32] has joined #ccl 22:47:53 -!- rme [rme@6B936128.ED8853D8.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Ping timeout] 22:47:54 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 22:49:54 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.154.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:49:54 -!- rme_ is now known as rme