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I just start the lx86cl or lx86cl64 executable, and it does the right thing. Is that kosher, gbyers, or does it just happen to usually work? 15:10:07 billstclair: that's ok, i think 15:10:34 I usually soft-link "ccl" in a directory in my path to the kernel executable 15:11:34 billstclair: i think CCL_DEFAULT_DIRECTORY defaults to where the heap image is 15:11:43 according to the docs 15:11:53 Yes, it does. I'm just asking Gary if that is dependable behavior 15:12:08 And if it's in the docs, then I guess it is 15:12:18 billstclair: it is there 15:12:26 good 15:13:09 billstclair: see 4.6.2. Predefined Logical Hosts in the manual 15:13:20 ok 15:13:33 I've been doing it for years. 15:13:47 billstclair: what platform do you use? 15:14:25 I have a recent iMac on my desk. But I build with Debian and Windows VMs, and my web server is FreeBSD 15:15:28 I also build with a Fedora VM 15:15:42 For those who prefer .rpm to .deb 15:21:05 billstclair: i see. as i mentioned elsewhere i'm packaging ccl for debian. though i don't know how many people will be interested 15:21:24 how has ccl been working for you? it seems pretty good to me 15:21:25 Yes. I've been following the mailing list discussion 15:21:30 I work for Clozure 15:21:36 It works really well for me 15:21:37 billstclair: ah, ok 15:21:38 :) 15:21:56 I worked on CCL in the Apple lab in 1990 15:22:04 When it was called MCL 15:22:12 billstclair: long time ago. 15:22:17 aye 15:22:35 billstclair: have you tried sbcl? probably the market leader these days 15:22:50 I've used it in some projects. Works good. Really slow compiler. 15:22:58 at least for free implementations 15:23:17 billstclair: i see. is slow compilation a problem? 15:23:37 It was on the big system I used it on, which took 30 minutes to build and an hour to test 15:24:02 Switching to CCl cut that build time way down, though the generated code ran a little slower 15:24:23 billstclair: ok, i see. that is really slow compile time 15:24:44 billstclair: yes, i see you are listed on clozure associates 15:24:49 FOr small projects, you don't notice as much 15:25:32 billstclair: anyway, if you are willing to test the deb, feedback would be helpful. i'll post again to the ml once i upload to mentors.debian.net 15:26:05 OK. I'll probably give it a quick check, building a couple of my systems with it to make sure it works for me 15:26:18 billstclair: in your experience are runtime differences between ccl and sbcl significant? 15:27:10 The documented CL package stuff is very compatible. Implementation-specific stuff is very different, but largely handled by portable libraries 15:27:34 Quicklisp makes those libraries very easy to use 15:28:00 billstclair: ok. no, i meant speed 15:28:16 sorry, was unclear 15:28:37 IIRC, SBCL tends to be a little faster, though optimization can bring CCL to pretty close 15:28:48 So they get something for that slow compiler 15:29:02 billstclair: ok. and is 64 bit ccl significantly faster than 32 ccl? 15:29:15 Never compared them. 15:29:32 billstclair: ok. thanks for the feedback 15:31:38 bill: if CCL_DEFAULT_DIRECTORY isn't set, the CCL directory is set to the directory containing the image file. 15:31:45 thanks 15:33:16 gbyers: would you care to comment on the hardening flags thing? 15:35:59 rme [~rme@50.43.145.91] has joined #ccl 15:38:46 I was always taught that if you can't say anything nice about a hardening flags thing, it's best to say nothing at all. 15:39:58 gbyers: ok then 15:49:00 ddp 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