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[nurv@62.32.133.23] has quit [] 18:31:30 nurv [nurv@83.231.62.117] has joined #ccl 18:31:38 Hi. 18:51:08 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.69.171] has joined #ccl 19:16:58 -!- anRch [~markmilli@64.134.69.171] has quit [Quit: anRch] 20:37:43 What's CCL's threading stability like under Windows? Is it supposed to be solid, or can it still be flaky? 20:38:06 We're getting occasional "Exception on foreign stack" with a register dump 20:39:46 not sure exactly what it's from yet 20:39:57 we're not doing any FFI or low-level hackery 20:50:28 Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 20:50:52 what am I doing wrong that causes ccl::*openmcl-svn-revision* to be NIL ? 21:05:03 sellout [~greg@2002:4855:eb9a:0:21d:4fff:fefe:c504] has joined #ccl 21:15:19 Phoodus: It could be a Windows-specific ccl bug; you might make a ticket for it at http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ 21:16:17 nope, that's linux 21:16:36 btw, for qres, should I keep using the qres branch, or should I be using trunk? 21:16:52 Fare: during the build process, the lisp tries to (run-program "svnversion"); if it can't find it, *openmcl-svn-revision* will be nil. 21:16:53 I see that trunk has 1.5, and we lag with a patched 1.4 21:18:27 rme: maybe. We haven't tracked down what it is yet. After our threaded program sits around all night, we see the error in the morning 21:19:01 Fare: I assume you should be using the qres branch. It should be pretty close to the trunk with the exception of x86 function purification, which I don't think gz has merged yet. 21:19:02 so it could be a blown stack or something, or even a rare race condition on multiple threads hitting the same value 21:19:47 just wondering how stable the threads are considered to be in Windows, as some like SBCL claim their whole windows port is unstable test code 21:20:19 the answer is that: svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '.'. 21:20:51 and the solution is to use change-svn-wc-format.py 21:20:58 sigh. 21:21:25 do we want to keep using a branch, as opposed to, say, blessed revisions of trunk? 21:23:04 Phoodus: the Windows exception handling code is quite different from the unixoids, and its newer code too, so I can believe that there might be bugs. But it's supposed to work. 21:24:23 If you can gather some info, please consider writing a bug. 21:28:57 That way, gbyers can take a look at it too. 21:33:40 -!- sellout [~greg@2002:4855:eb9a:0:21d:4fff:fefe:c504] has quit [Quit: sellout] 21:38:29 all's I see is a register dump, so that's probably not much help 21:38:48 Do you end up in the kernel debugger? 21:38:49 it's a big application, so I wouldn't know how to isolate a small test case that does the same error until we find out more abou tit 21:38:55 yes 21:39:08 but emacs was hung, too 21:39:26 this happened on a coworkers box, we only have a screenshot of it since the environment hung 21:39:52 ah, the status line on the buttom says "Fault during read of memory address #xF", so that's the nature of the low-level problem 21:43:07 http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/CclUnderGdb might help find out more. 21:43:52 I don't think that would work under cygwin :-P 21:44:08 I think gdb works... 21:44:22 for connecting to native windows exe's? 21:44:37 or only to cygwin ones? 21:45:05 It works (as well as gdb works, that is) to debug ccl on Windows at least. 21:45:10 in any case, i'm not familiar enough with CCL's internals enough to make reasonable use of that 21:47:57 Of course, but the idea would be that you could attach to the broken process and maybe get a backtrace from gdb or some other indication of where the lisp croaked. 21:48:14 yeah, true 21:50:22 peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp356.uio.no] has joined #ccl 22:02:52 -!- alms [alms@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: alms] 22:02:52 -!- alms [~alms@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:feda:a4c0] has quit [Quit: alms] 22:09:59 Hello. On line 1786 in pmcl-kernel.c the variable reserved_area_size (which is an integer) is muliplied by the constant .9. Won't that always result in 0? 22:10:44 nvm 22:19:43 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 22:22:17 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp356.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:57 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.195.248] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:43:24 nunb [~nundan@59.178.196.134] has joined #ccl 23:37:00 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #ccl 23:57:53 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-22-192-228.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]