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If you go to your ccl directory, whats "svn info" say? 01:25:20 Repository Root: http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl 01:25:25 Revision: 13456 01:25:55 what's the URL: line? 01:26:07 URL: http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/release/1.4/darwinx86/ccl 01:26:12 Ohh 01:26:15 I see 01:27:42 Thanks 01:27:50 no problem 01:28:07 So, once I'm on trunk it should build with 10.5 by default? 01:28:35 correct 01:28:40 Thanks! 01:38:12 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has joined #ccl 01:43:45 palter_ [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has joined #ccl 01:45:18 -!- palter [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 01:45:19 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 01:46:42 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:46:42 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 01:52:35 Error: Constant MAX-1-BIT-CONSTANT-INDEX is already defined with a different value (68719476544) 01:52:41 type :go 01:55:34 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has quit [Quit: palter] 01:58:43 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has joined #ccl 01:59:18 palter_ [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has joined #ccl 02:02:11 -!- palter [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 02:02:11 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has quit [Client Quit] 02:02:11 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 02:02:59 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:30 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 03:18:06 -!- nunb [~nundan@112.110.1.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:58:40 palter_ [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 03:58:40 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58:40 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 03:58:40 -!- palter [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:02:35 -!- rme [rme@clozure-2F8343EC.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:02:35 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-112-135.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:16:49 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.194.225] has joined #ccl 04:16:51 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.37.194.225] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:17:07 nunb [~nundan@112.110.44.19] has joined #ccl 05:24:50 -!- nunb [~nundan@112.110.44.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:34:48 Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ccl 06:37:34 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58:13 nunb [~nundan@112.110.22.7] has joined #ccl 07:17:19 Is there any info on how the ccl GC interacts with native threading? 07:32:21 You mean other than what the documentation describes ? 07:40:14 Yeah 07:40:21 Such as ? 07:40:35 Well, perhaps I was looking at the wrong part of the documentation 07:40:53 but it doesn't seem to describe how the GC deals with collection with multiple threads running 07:40:56 Look at chapter 16. 07:42:22 (Multiple threads are, for all intents and purposes, always running.) 07:47:00 It seems that we have to stop the world to collect. 07:50:42 Like the documentation says, it's not concurrent. 08:50:44 -!- nunb [~nundan@112.110.22.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:26:56 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.1] has joined #ccl 11:11:23 nunb [~nundan@112.110.21.132] has joined #ccl 11:15:13 -!- nunb [~nundan@112.110.21.132] has left #ccl 13:19:15 airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ccl 14:17:25 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:18 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #ccl 14:18:18 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 14:18:18 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 14:28:30 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:50 airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ccl 14:43:03 lispm [~joswig@g224127243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ccl 14:44:41 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:44 palter_ [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has joined #ccl 14:59:25 mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@quark.entity.com] has joined #ccl 14:59:37 -!- mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@quark.entity.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:12 -!- palter_ [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:217:f2ff:fee7:72d7] has quit [Quit: palter_] 16:04:29 milanj [~milan@109.93.76.245] has joined #ccl 16:22:08 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.16] has joined #ccl 16:39:26 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.44.119] has joined #ccl 16:44:28 -!- lisppaste5 [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Quit: Want lisppaste5 in your channel? 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But if I insert (declare (optimise (speed 3))) in a function I don't get compilers notes like those in sbcl. 20:20:39 um, sbcl is very "talky" about optimization hints. it is an area that is very implementation dependant tho. 20:23:17 This is cool ... 20:23:18 Developers are encouraged to use Xcode's new Build > Build and Archive command to create an archive of their application and its associated .dSYM file. This archive can then be used with the Validate Application and Share Application sharing options in the new Archived Application source in the Organizer. The Validate Application sharing option requires an iTunes Connect account and metadata prepared for that application; this opti 20:23:18 will run all of the validation tests that will be run upon submission to the App Store so that you can fix any problems before submitting your app. In beta 3, if you attempt to validate your application but do not yet have it declared in iTunesConnect, Xcode exits without a warning. The Submit Application for Distribution sharing option won't be fully usable until the SDK is released and applications using the 3.2 SDK can be submitted to 20:23:18 App Store. 20:25:54 hypno: thanks. I am exploring another option by running chud:meter. 20:26:43 leo2007: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/DeclareOptimize is perhaps somewhat interresting as well. 20:27:12 Oops, wrong channel. SOrry 20:27:42 leo2007: may I ask what kind of numerical stuff you are doing? 20:29:12 hypno: 2 groups of coupled ode to model lasers 20:31:03 ah. i have work in progress for TDMA/Gauss-Seidel solver for FVM stuff in CCL. 20:33:36 hypno: could you point me to the kind of equations you solver solves? 20:33:47 I'm interested. 20:41:48 well, most (if not all) equation of fluid physics (or chemical transport) are solvable by such methods. 20:42:14 for steady state heat diffusion problems and whatnot. (these are easy of coure). 20:42:50 but you can also solve way more complex stuff, like complete turbulence models for turbulent flow, etc. 20:43:16 i see. Are you happy with ccl's speed? 20:44:58 oh, i've not done any heavy stuff on ccl quite yet. i mostly use SCL, but the models has been way to easy to signify anything really (we are essentially talking about /way/ to low node points and small meshes)... 20:45:17 however, the opengl stuff i've been playing with has been working great with CCL. 20:46:28 opengl fails for me under snow leopard. 20:46:48 are you using cl-opengl or somesuch? 20:47:09 or do you get a crash dump or something? 20:48:14 I have used opengl but was interested. It crashed running its examples. 20:48:19 haven't* 20:49:20 ok. i use my own ffi stuff to glfw and then the ccl provided hooks for opengl. i've yet to have any crash. :) 20:51:12 wrt. opengl, only thing that is somewhat irritating is lisp->c type conversion. otherwise, the stability of ccl is the reason i use it. i somehow a have bad karma for other oss-lisps and get them to crash and burn every second. 21:31:43 -!- lisppaste5 [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:35 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.67.13.76] has joined #ccl 21:42:45 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.67.13.76] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:43:12 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.67.13.76] has joined #ccl 21:43:31 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.67.13.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:40 hypno: thanks. 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