00:24:23 -!- milanj [~milan@91.150.120.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:42 -!- palter [~palter@c-65-96-32-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 00:59:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust694.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13:46 leo2007 [~leo@cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust694.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #ccl 01:22:47 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:13 rme: ilisp is the second-worst emacs lisp interface I know of. It's horrible. 01:40:13 ... what's the worst? (I'm almost afraid to ask.) 01:40:40 emacs lisp 01:41:46 That answer doesn't seem to fit into the same category as "ilisp". 01:41:49 If you can't say anything nice about an emacs lisp interface, it's best not to say anything at all. 01:43:13 chandler, bad joke is bad (that sounds like it should be a lolcat caption) 01:47:22 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust694.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:08:43 palter [~palter@c-65-96-32-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 02:10:42 -!- phf [~user@c-76-124-103-85.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:11:40 billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-23-233.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #ccl 02:11:40 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-74-209-23-233.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:11:40 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 03:53:01 bfulgham_ [~brent@adsl-69-234-109-204.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ccl 04:07:39 -!- palter [palter@clozure-BB1CFD88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:07:54 palter_ [~palter@2002:4160:20cc:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has joined #ccl 04:07:54 -!- palter [~palter@c-65-96-32-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:55 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 04:34:59 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4160:20cc:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has quit [Quit: palter] 04:47:49 -!- bfulgham_ [~brent@adsl-69-234-109-204.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57:23 alland [~thomas@ti0014a380-1092.bb.online.no] has joined #ccl 05:08:11 -!- alland [~thomas@ti0014a380-1092.bb.online.no] has left #ccl 06:51:55 nunb [~nundan@59.178.169.1] has joined #ccl 06:53:49 In the CCL dmg if I just drag the Clozure CL (32/64) .app to Applications what is the ccl/bin directory I should put in my $PATH ? 06:55:26 I am trying to follow http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/apxzw/long_tutorial_how_to_use_clozure_cl_for_cocoa/ 06:55:59 Just double-click the app? 06:56:34 I've been reading the trac, and I cannot figure out: 06:56:57 1) if you double-click/install the .app, how does one setup a ccl/bin directory to use thru slime and at the shell. 06:57:18 2) if you svn co the ccl directory, where is the .app file for when you want the cocoa-based editor? 06:57:19 :-) 06:58:49 If you want both (app and command line), do the svn checkout. 06:59:04 You can build the .app with (require 'cocoa-application) 06:59:20 ah, thanks. 07:11:51 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-120-122.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 07:25:51 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Quit: work] 07:42:51 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: I'm big in Japan] 17:05:04 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #ccl 17:05:04 17:05:04 -!- names: ccl-logbot alms palter sellout leo2007 tvaalen chandler clop bfulgham gbyers hypno gz @ChanServ mdc albino 17:31:18 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-120-122.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 17:51:00 Summermute [~Summermut@c-68-55-150-29.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 17:54:10 Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #ccl 18:17:44 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.68.0] has joined #ccl 18:32:08 palter_ [~palter@mobile-166-137-138-073.mycingular.net] has joined #ccl 18:34:02 -!- palter_ [~palter@mobile-166-137-138-073.mycingular.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:38:50 ekiru [~ekiru@97.95.156.133] has joined #ccl 18:43:20 I'm having problems trying to use the CCL FFI on OS X. Whenever I use open-shared-library, it reports an error saying "no matching architecture in universal wrapper". 18:43:57 A 64-bit lisp can only load 64-bit shared libraries; likewise with a 32-bit lisp. 18:44:24 Not really lisp-specific. 18:45:09 Okay. That's what I suspected. Thanks. 18:57:44 -!- alms [~alms@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:feda:a4c0] has quit [Quit: alms] 19:09:31 alms [~alms@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:feda:a4c0] has joined #ccl 19:16:22 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ccl 19:21:43 -!- anRch [~markmilli@64.134.68.0] has quit [Quit: anRch] 19:46:21 Dawgmatix_ [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 20:11:05 milanj [~milan@93.87.152.79] has joined #ccl 21:20:43 -!- alms [alms@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: alms] 21:20:43 -!- alms [~alms@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:feda:a4c0] has quit [Quit: alms] 21:29:42 -!- ekiru [~ekiru@97.95.156.133] has quit [Quit: ekiru] 21:38:51 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #ccl 21:39:17 hi, is there any deeper explanation of that "Win32 images won't work on Win64" bug? 21:39:28 and preferably also some ETA for when it'll be fixed? 21:40:25 It has to do with the fact that it's not possible to use a segment register on win64. 21:42:03 interesting, I thought 32-bit code was fully supported on x63 21:42:06 *x64 21:43:04 It's not the hardware but the OS that's restricting the use of the segment register as I recall. 21:44:48 oh, but it allows it in win32? 21:44:50 that's odd 21:45:31 We have some ideas on how we might shoehorn our thread-local data into the Windows TLS block, but I'm not sure when we'll get to that. (Funding make it a priority, of course.) 21:45:50 right 21:50:03 So, yeah, it's annoying to have to say "win32 ccl doesn't run on win64." 21:53:08 rme: are there plans to port the ide to windows too, and if so, what GUI-library will be used? 21:53:15 I should probably be more accurate: win64 doesn't support the LDT. 21:56:28 http://www.clozure.com/pipermail/openmcl-devel/2009-March/009002.html <-- okay, this is very informative 21:56:37 rme: LDT == ? 21:56:50 hypno: the IDE might end up sort of running on Windows using cocotron as a side-effect of other work. see http://www.clozure.com/pipermail/openmcl-devel/2009-December/010740.html 21:56:55 aha, local descriptor tabl 21:56:56 e 21:57:37 rme: ah, cool. 21:58:33 uh-huh, what's the difference between cocotron and GNUStep, which I believe runs on Windows as well? 21:59:48 mathrick: "The Intel Developers Programmers Manual Volume 3: System Programming" I can highly recommended for IA32 internals. :) 22:00:33 hypno: yeah, I've read parts of it at some point for my x86 assembly class, but I didn't try to make that knowledge a lasting part of my brain 22:00:54 and LDT was that bit everyone skipped except for the bare basics required to pass the test 22:02:16 i was buried for a week or two in that when implementing my own os heh. 22:04:11 mathrick: I don't remember what led to using Cocotron and not GNUstep. Maybe the cocotron objc runtime was easier to get working with ccl objc bridge, or Cocotron was just easier to get working in general. 22:04:38 *rme* doesn't hack on that 22:20:11 I think one of the distinguishing factors is that Cocotron looks native and GNUstep looks like NeXT everywhere. 22:24:55 oh, I was under impression that it looked like cocoa on OSX 22:25:03 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gz] 22:25:24 though maybe I was confusing that with GNUStep apps being compilable as Cocoa too 22:27:24 mathrick: Yeah, I don't know. 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