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2016-09-05T00:51:41Z lambda-11235: Does scheme have references? Like java objects references of SML's ref type?
2016-09-05T00:51:55Z lambda-11235: *or SML's ref type?
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2016-09-05T00:58:02Z qu1j0t3: it has values. values can be a cons cell, vector, etc.
2016-09-05T00:58:25Z qu1j0t3: they work like references in that you can mutate them and observe sharing. (if that's your thing)
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2016-09-05T01:04:48Z qu1j0t3: some values are primitives (atomic) however. but CONS and vectors are among those that act like references.
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2016-09-05T10:42:20Z nalaginrut: A preview of Guile-Lua (rebirth), and some oguansihttps://nalaginrut.com/archives/2016/09/05/a-preview-of-guile-lua-%28rebirth%29%2C-and-some-opinions-
2016-09-05T10:42:20Z rudybot: http://teensy.info/Q1QOG3Asgz
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2016-09-05T10:42:39Z nalaginrut: rudybot: thanks
2016-09-05T10:42:40Z rudybot: nalaginrut: righto, thanks. hopefully kazu can get his ghc-mod stuff up and installable now :)
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2016-09-05T17:38:58Z wasamasa: LeoNerd: hey, what's up with libtermkey?
2016-09-05T17:39:04Z LeoNerd: in what sense?
2016-09-05T17:39:15Z LeoNerd: Also how is this a scheme question? ;)
2016-09-05T17:39:24Z wasamasa: well, you happen to be here...
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2016-09-05T17:39:29Z LeoNerd: (but I'll accept it here, since the place is otherwise quite)
2016-09-05T17:39:40Z LeoNerd: I'm also in ##tty where it would be more ontopic - if others object we can move there
2016-09-05T17:39:57Z wasamasa: you recommend using it to get proper key support in terminals, but the project page suggests it's dead
2016-09-05T17:40:14Z LeoNerd: It's not "dead". It's at end-of-the-road in terms of features
2016-09-05T17:40:34Z LeoNerd: There's nothing more I can add to it, basically, and lots more that can't be added because of fundamental architecture shape that is wrong
2016-09-05T17:40:41Z LeoNerd: libtickit is the better way forward
2016-09-05T17:40:53Z LeoNerd: So I don't suggest *new* projects be built on libtermkey. They should use libtickit instead
2016-09-05T17:41:01Z wasamasa: perhaps you'll want to update your tty key encoding proposal then?
2016-09-05T17:41:11Z LeoNerd: Not in the slightest. Everything there remains unaffected
2016-09-05T17:41:24Z LeoNerd: The problems are entirely in the way libtermkey's API talks to the containing C program
2016-09-05T17:41:34Z LeoNerd: Those details are largely fixed by libtickit
2016-09-05T17:41:40Z wasamasa: hmk
2016-09-05T17:41:53Z wasamasa: did neovim switch to libtickit?
2016-09-05T17:42:02Z LeoNerd: Not yet; it's still missing a few output features they'd like
2016-09-05T17:42:17Z wasamasa: oh well
2016-09-05T17:42:34Z LeoNerd: I'm aware of them. they're on my list. https://launchpad.net/libtickit/+milestone/v0.3
2016-09-05T17:43:35Z wasamasa: that's fine, it just seems weird to have "Use my library!  Oh wait, don't use it, it's dead and sucks..." on your website
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2016-09-05T17:43:52Z LeoNerd: I could possibly reword things
2016-09-05T17:44:08Z wasamasa: yeah, a red box like on a wiki could do the trick
2016-09-05T17:45:23Z wasamasa: also, why does its description mention libtermkey?
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2016-09-05T17:45:37Z LeoNerd: Because the current implementation uses it
2016-09-05T17:45:37Z wasamasa: I thought you moved on to a greener side of the lane :P
2016-09-05T17:45:40Z LeoNerd: ...
2016-09-05T17:46:02Z LeoNerd: The plan is to copy all the libtermkey source code *into* libtickit, then edit and extend it
2016-09-05T17:46:18Z LeoNerd: As it stands now libtermkey can't do anything where it talks *to* the terminal, because it only has the input filehandle
2016-09-05T17:46:30Z LeoNerd: Moving the source code into libtickit's ttydrivers means it can now output too
2016-09-05T17:46:48Z LeoNerd: meaning it can control the terminal, switching input-related modes, activating the mouse, doing clipboard interaction,...
2016-09-05T17:46:55Z LeoNerd: The things it can't do now because it doesn't have an output handle
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