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2016-07-31T01:54:28Z noethics: is syntax-rules hard to implement or something? a lot of smaller scheme implementations seem to omit it
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2016-07-31T01:59:30Z ijp: noethics: no harder than any of the other stuff they omit
2016-07-31T02:00:42Z ijp: but if all you want to do is check "implement lisp" off your TODO, it's much easier to do define-macro
2016-07-31T02:03:46Z noethics: ijp, yeah that's what they actually seem to opt for :)
2016-07-31T02:03:58Z noethics: without syntax-rules i wouldn't even release a scheme implementation
2016-07-31T02:04:22Z ijp: in fairness, it's probably the hardest thing to implement in Scheme
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2016-07-31T02:05:35Z noethics: but so i've been toying with implementing my own scheme and i was thinking i would start with macros
2016-07-31T02:05:42Z ijp: eval is included in every Scheme book as a hey "look how easy this is" example
2016-07-31T02:05:54Z noethics: so i can define forms like that
2016-07-31T02:06:04Z noethics: well i'm only interested in compiling scheme, not interpretin git
2016-07-31T02:06:17Z noethics: so it seems the hardest from that point of view
2016-07-31T02:07:27Z noethics: my current implementation is absolute garbage in hindsight
2016-07-31T02:07:36Z noethics: :(
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2016-07-31T02:12:57Z jim: do you run linux? maybe you can get a binary... but maybe you want to comple something specific into it
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2016-07-31T10:05:53Z dpk: described in the preface
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2016-07-31T19:27:45Z aeth: ecraven: link?
2016-07-31T19:27:53Z aeth: fair point, though
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2016-07-31T19:55:19Z ecraven: alexpander, maybe riaxpander
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2016-07-31T19:56:21Z ecraven: http://petrofsky.org/src/alexpander.scm
2016-07-31T19:56:30Z ecraven: as far as I know, this is fairly complete and portable
2016-07-31T20:06:28Z ijp: of course there is psyntax as well
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2016-07-31T20:22:50Z ecraven: sorry, that too, I've never (conciously) used it, so tend not to think of it
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2016-07-31T20:47:20Z RandomDude: hi guys
2016-07-31T20:47:27Z rain1: hello
2016-07-31T20:48:24Z RandomDude: I became interested in scheme after many unsuccessful tries to learn C# because it's so complex and there are too many patterns, too many different ways to do things
2016-07-31T20:48:33Z RandomDude: it's insane
2016-07-31T20:49:02Z rain1: you'll like scheme!
2016-07-31T20:49:08Z RandomDude: i got interested in scheme after watching stanford lectures on youtube
2016-07-31T20:49:46Z RandomDude: it such a small language yet powerful, i like it a lot
2016-07-31T20:50:25Z RandomDude: it's probably stupid thing to say that I like a language  but i really do because it's not as complicated as C#
2016-07-31T20:50:33Z RandomDude: or C++11,  C++17
2016-07-31T20:50:57Z rain1: thats not stupid
2016-07-31T20:51:03Z rain1: thats one of the reasons i like it so much too
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2016-07-31T20:58:53Z wasamasa: C# isn't complicated, it's featureful
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2016-07-31T21:40:41Z aeth: Large, complex languages are good. There's a built-in to do what you want it to do and you can normally ignore it if you don't need it.
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2016-07-31T21:41:43Z aeth: The only time it backfires is when the built-in thing is bad, but kept for backwards compatibility
2016-07-31T21:44:49Z aeth: Sometimes there are also minor annoyances like a bad name or argument orders that contradict (e.g. Common Lisp's ELT vs Common Lisp's NTH take reverse argument orders to do basically the same thing), but if you rely on popular libraries to do things that other languages have built in, the same sort of thing usually will happen.
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