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2015-05-14T01:36:56Z pooka: Hey guys! how would one go about evaluating this :   ((lambda (x y)  (x (x y))) (lambda (z) (+ 5 z)) 10)
2015-05-14T01:37:21Z pooka: or this : (define (f x y) (* 5 (+ x y))) ((lambda (y x z)  (f y (x y z))) 10 * 3)
2015-05-14T01:37:34Z pooka: or this : (define (f x y) (* 5 (+ x y))) ((lambda (y x z)  (f y (x y z))) 10 * 3)?
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2015-05-14T16:34:52Z contrapunctus: EVENING
2015-05-14T16:36:15Z Pixel_Outlaw: :D
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2015-05-14T18:44:54Z zacts: hi schemers
2015-05-14T18:45:05Z zacts: brb, switching wifi networks soon
2015-05-14T18:45:29Z zacts: I can't remember who it was that was making an interactive math suite for teaching math using scheme as the implementation language
2015-05-14T18:45:34Z zacts: it was either chicken or racket iirc
2015-05-14T18:45:38Z zacts: but bbl
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2015-05-14T18:54:36Z Pixel_Outlaw: I've never done web development mostly just system tools. How do you go about getting a public server to host your scheme web service? Do you just pay a fee and they let you install whatever?
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2015-05-14T18:59:16Z mario-goulart does the latter
2015-05-14T19:01:21Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: I have a beaglebone black / rpi2 for my hostings, or I will have these
2015-05-14T19:01:34Z zacts: I just use no-ip or dyndns with enough hits for the traffic I recieve
2015-05-14T19:01:52Z zacts: but if you need something more large-scale you'll probably want/need an external hosting provider / internet hotel
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2015-05-14T19:07:19Z wasamasa: Pixel_Outlaw: a vps is a good choice for most purposes
2015-05-14T19:07:30Z wasamasa: Pixel_Outlaw: you'll rent a vm and manage it on your own
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2015-05-14T19:08:28Z wasamasa: Pixel_Outlaw: it can be cheaper to find shared hosting where you're given shell access, but these are pretty rare
2015-05-14T19:09:01Z wasamasa: Pixel_Outlaw: and you'll need to compile everything in $HOME
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2015-05-14T19:11:08Z zacts: I don't like google cloud, from personal experience
2015-05-14T19:11:31Z zacts: I've heard of racketspace, but know nothing of it
2015-05-14T19:11:39Z zacts: but they seem cheaper then gcloud or aws
2015-05-14T19:11:45Z wasamasa: rackspace?
2015-05-14T19:11:47Z zacts: also there is an OpenBSD shell provider
2015-05-14T19:11:49Z zacts: oops
2015-05-14T19:11:52Z zacts: lol, yes rackspace
2015-05-14T19:11:52Z vraid: rackspace
2015-05-14T19:11:56Z zacts: I have scheme on my mind
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2015-05-14T19:12:40Z zacts: http://devio.us/
2015-05-14T19:12:45Z zacts: ^ this is the OpenBSD shell provider
2015-05-14T19:12:55Z zacts: they provide both free and for pay accounts, but note it is OpenBSD only
2015-05-14T19:12:56Z zacts: although
2015-05-14T19:13:29Z wasamasa: I used to be on https://uberspace.de/
2015-05-14T19:13:31Z zacts: they use http://www.hostdime.com/ underneath
2015-05-14T19:13:53Z zacts: http://www.hostdime.com/managed-vps-hosting/
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2015-05-14T19:14:05Z zacts: I discovered http://devio.us from the bsdtalk podcast
2015-05-14T19:14:17Z zacts: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/
2015-05-14T19:14:19Z wasamasa: openvz?
2015-05-14T19:14:21Z wasamasa: ._.
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2015-05-14T19:21:15Z Pixel_Outlaw: Ok, thanks wasamasa
2015-05-14T19:21:39Z wasamasa: if you go for a vps, check whether they come with kvm as technology for virtualization
2015-05-14T19:21:50Z wasamasa: as openvz isn't as good
2015-05-14T19:22:09Z Pixel_Outlaw: Well I just wanted to toy with the idea of making a forum from scratch. Just something friends could use.
2015-05-14T19:22:24Z Pixel_Outlaw: And I don't want to burden my crappy network.
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2015-05-14T19:27:15Z kephra: zacts, about hosting: the most important point is never bundle web hosting with domain hosting - always register the domain at a different provider, that is speciallised in DNS hosting, and allows easy DNS config
2015-05-14T19:27:51Z zacts: kephra: that's what I'm kind of doing
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2015-05-14T19:27:58Z kephra: KVM and Xen are ok as virtual hosts, as they do not allow to cripple virtual hosts as badly as VZ/Virtouzzo
2015-05-14T19:28:02Z zacts: I'm using my dyndns provider and my home server
2015-05-14T19:28:12Z zacts: currently only for personal ssh, but soon my blog and git repos
2015-05-14T19:28:57Z Pixel_Outlaw: I'm kind of mentally ill. I want to make a custom bbs like system over ssh.
2015-05-14T19:29:03Z kephra: Rackspace is known to throttle lower priced hosts
2015-05-14T19:29:12Z kephra: AWS is known to become expensive pretty fast
2015-05-14T19:30:10Z wasamasa is on some friend's vps provided by hetzner
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2015-05-14T19:30:55Z wasamasa: I'm considering to grab an ovh dedi though for playing around with huge datasets
2015-05-14T19:31:02Z wasamasa: like on http://ghtorrent.org
2015-05-14T19:32:27Z kephra: cheapest dedicated hosts are kimsufi - nice - if you are lucky to get one of the cheap under €10
2015-05-14T19:32:46Z wasamasa: they're infamous for providing no support though :P
2015-05-14T19:32:52Z wasamasa: but hey, you can buy a cheap .ovh domain
2015-05-14T19:33:22Z kephra: the main problem I see with kimsufi is, that they are not available in enough numbers
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2015-05-14T19:33:33Z kephra: I've tried it for two weeks, and always out of stock
2015-05-14T19:33:51Z wasamasa: the ks-2 is always available here
2015-05-14T19:34:09Z wasamasa: guess the reason why is because the 1tb model comes with an unspecified atom cpu and the other one with a 40gb ssd
2015-05-14T19:34:15Z wasamasa: neither is ideal
2015-05-14T19:34:48Z wasamasa: maybe I should write me a script that rings a bell when one is free
2015-05-14T19:34:58Z wasamasa: of the ks-1 I mean
2015-05-14T19:38:58Z wasamasa: Pixel_Outlaw: reminds me of https://medium.com/message/tilde-club-i-had-a-couple-drinks-and-woke-up-with-1-000-nerds-a8904f0a2ebf
2015-05-14T19:38:58Z rudybot: http://eensy.teensy.info/Edy8wmmYBO
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2015-05-14T19:49:01Z Pixel_Outlaw: this is really cool
2015-05-14T19:49:28Z wasamasa: mhh
2015-05-14T19:49:46Z wasamasa: and you envision doing something similiar where we'll be entering proto-forums with a terminal emulator?
2015-05-14T19:50:14Z Pixel_Outlaw: The only thing I'd be worried about is sombody putting child porn on your server then legally you being responsible for it.
2015-05-14T19:50:20Z Pixel_Outlaw: wasamasa, yes.
2015-05-14T19:50:25Z Pixel_Outlaw: ncurses based stuff
2015-05-14T19:50:27Z wasamasa: ok
2015-05-14T19:50:43Z wasamasa: I recall trying out entering a bbs with one, but only got weird escape sequences
2015-05-14T19:50:57Z Pixel_Outlaw: Ys
2015-05-14T19:51:05Z Pixel_Outlaw: they use ANSI code not ASCII
2015-05-14T19:51:36Z wasamasa: do you plan on relaxing that requirement?
2015-05-14T19:51:49Z Pixel_Outlaw: Ideally we just use ASCII
2015-05-14T19:52:05Z Pixel_Outlaw: You don't get the fancy box drawing characters but it will be compatable with all terminals.
2015-05-14T19:52:22Z Pixel_Outlaw: then again, ncurses does offer a sort of fallback mode if the terminal can't display some characters.
2015-05-14T19:52:47Z wasamasa: well, one could send utf-8 :P
2015-05-14T19:53:05Z Pixel_Outlaw: I've got a terminal that has no idea what utf-8 is D:
2015-05-14T19:53:20Z wasamasa: and you could offer various connection options with different subdomains
2015-05-14T19:55:17Z Pixel_Outlaw: It would be cool to have a web forum that uses 0 PHP/HTML/JavaScript
2015-05-14T19:55:29Z Pixel_Outlaw: it could be scheme all the way down just wrapping ncurses for the menus
2015-05-14T19:55:47Z Pixel_Outlaw: and something like MySQL for data storage
2015-05-14T19:56:44Z wasamasa: s/MySQL/Postgres/
2015-05-14T19:57:03Z Pixel_Outlaw: I'd have to see what's been wrapped but yes.
2015-05-14T19:57:14Z Pixel_Outlaw: I'm not up to data on small scale database trends.
2015-05-14T19:57:17Z Pixel_Outlaw: *date
2015-05-14T19:57:20Z wasamasa: lol
2015-05-14T19:57:37Z wasamasa: I don't think much changed with regards to mysql's suckiness
2015-05-14T19:57:49Z Pixel_Outlaw: I last used it in college maybe 4 years ago.
2015-05-14T19:57:50Z wasamasa: postgres on the other hand did gain a bunch of cool features over time
2015-05-14T19:58:14Z Pixel_Outlaw: Ideally it just needs to handle maybe 100 people logging in and creating posts.'
2015-05-14T19:58:16Z contrapunctus: since we're talking about turtles all the way down - https://github.com/Wukix/LambdaLite
2015-05-14T19:58:25Z contrapunctus: (that's CL, though.)
2015-05-14T19:58:34Z Pixel_Outlaw: I speak CL too. :)
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2015-05-14T20:00:34Z Pixel_Outlaw: contrapunctus, will this allow multiple users at once
2015-05-14T20:00:46Z wasamasa: nah
2015-05-14T20:00:58Z Pixel_Outlaw: Shame, SQL's syntax is really horrible.
2015-05-14T20:01:24Z Pixel_Outlaw: Collection of keywords rather than clearly defined blocks.
2015-05-14T20:01:26Z contrapunctus: well, you could write a Scheme equivalent that does *smiles widest grin possible*
2015-05-14T20:01:33Z wasamasa: well
2015-05-14T20:01:48Z wasamasa: it better be no wrapper of an existing sql-involved solution
2015-05-14T20:01:54Z wasamasa: otherwise this is going to be hell
2015-05-14T20:02:16Z Pixel_Outlaw: I recall just trying to get going with quicklisp and a few database wrappers. They all exploded in different ways.
2015-05-14T20:02:35Z contrapunctus: o.o
2015-05-14T20:02:49Z wasamasa: no issues here with sql-de-lite so far
2015-05-14T20:02:57Z wasamasa: I don't expect anything different for the postgres egg
2015-05-14T20:03:56Z Pixel_Outlaw: So you are suggesting Chicken then?
2015-05-14T20:04:06Z Pixel_Outlaw: Wonder if they've wrapped ncurses
2015-05-14T20:04:14Z wasamasa: I'm using it currently
2015-05-14T20:04:33Z wasamasa: it's a bit hard to recommend something I've not used, no :P
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2015-05-14T20:26:23Z Pixel_Outlaw: I'd be willing to hack on a small server if anyone else is.
2015-05-14T20:26:31Z Pixel_Outlaw: Might be a fun project to make a community
2015-05-14T20:26:52Z Pixel_Outlaw: load it up with the common schemes
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2015-05-14T20:41:48Z kephra: btw fun project ... you are invited to /join #o3db - and if you have any webservers that can talk sexpr over POST ... add CORS headers, and try it in my repl
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2015-05-14T20:43:10Z kephra: spoiler: upaste.me will soon have a Lisp/Scheme API ;-)
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2015-05-14T21:22:03Z Pixel_Outlaw: Wonder what Schemes are Lisps are on the Rasberry Pi.
2015-05-14T21:22:24Z Pixel_Outlaw: I recall it lacking SBCL but this was before I started using Scheme too.
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2015-05-14T22:52:41Z Pixel_Outlaw: Compiling ncurses support into Chicken scheme it just shot me this message after 10 minutes. "Don't worry Still Compiling"
2015-05-14T22:52:50Z Pixel_Outlaw: I found that amusing.
2015-05-14T22:52:56Z antoszka: :)
2015-05-14T22:53:08Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: I have all of the major schemes on my beaglebone black
2015-05-14T22:53:09Z Pixel_Outlaw: It is on a Pi so it is taking some time.
2015-05-14T22:53:25Z zacts: racket / chicken / guile-2.0 / guile-1.8 / stalin / scheme48
2015-05-14T22:53:33Z zacts: except I haven't tried gambit
2015-05-14T22:53:36Z Pixel_Outlaw: I plan to just make this a headless server with support for making GUI programs using ncurses.
2015-05-14T22:53:46Z wasamasa: *TUI
2015-05-14T22:53:52Z Pixel_Outlaw: yes TUI
2015-05-14T22:53:57Z zacts: I'm running debian jessie
2015-05-14T22:54:01Z zacts: armhf port
2015-05-14T22:54:19Z Pixel_Outlaw: I made the mistake of using Raspbian and now have all these X11 programs preinstalled.
2015-05-14T22:54:19Z zacts: and the rpi2 uses the same ARM version for the CPU
2015-05-14T22:54:24Z zacts: as the beaglebone black
2015-05-14T22:54:34Z zacts: Pixel_Outlaw: ah yeah
2015-05-14T22:56:47Z Pixel_Outlaw: It would be cool to have a few physical terminals like 4 or so at a college campus all networked into a Pi where people could have a digital forum.
2015-05-14T22:56:58Z Pixel_Outlaw: Just text only with full support for programming amusements
2015-05-14T22:57:16Z Pixel_Outlaw: Kind of an underground culture.
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2015-05-14T23:02:24Z Pixel_Outlaw: zacts, do they have wrappers to write to and from GPIO pins?
2015-05-14T23:03:58Z Pixel_Outlaw: I'm blessing my users with both w3m and Links2
2015-05-14T23:04:09Z Pixel_Outlaw: such a good admin, they have 2 choices for browser
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2015-05-14T23:47:57Z ASau: Pixel_Outlaw: I have run into a good quote for you.
2015-05-14T23:48:07Z ASau: "This article is absolute crap, and a typical example of Microsoft think.
2015-05-14T23:48:07Z ASau: It blames XML for the very problems Microsoft created and which don't exist in other tools and on other platforms."
2015-05-14T23:48:17Z ASau: You can read SQL or Java instead of XML. :)
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