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2015-04-20T13:16:35Z kephra: #; is a reader macro in my toy scheme to drop next data (like ; reader macro to drop till end of line )
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2015-04-20T13:33:35Z taylanub: kephra: you still have to balance the paren :P
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2015-04-20T13:48:49Z kephra: taylanub, yes - thats both drawback and reason of it
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2015-04-20T15:38:59Z dyrz: hello guys. how can i implement derivative of a given equation in scheme ?
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2015-04-20T15:55:22Z theseb: dyrz: SICP has examples of that
2015-04-20T15:55:55Z theseb: dyrz: you can do polynomials easily...if you want a more general function of course you're looking at enough work for a PhD dissertation ;)
2015-04-20T15:55:59Z dyrz: i wrote something but , can you check it out for me , it doesnt work
2015-04-20T15:56:24Z theseb: dyrz: err wait..integration is PhD level work...maybe derivs not so much
2015-04-20T15:56:36Z dyrz: :D
2015-04-20T15:57:06Z dyrz: https://paste.kde.org/pgv7chijg
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2015-04-20T15:58:59Z theseb: dyrz: fonk?
2015-04-20T15:59:03Z theseb: dyrz: why not func?
2015-04-20T15:59:22Z dyrz: i dont know , i wrote like that
2015-04-20T15:59:37Z theseb: dyrz: time to add print statements...i'm not good at debugging scheme code sorry
2015-04-20T16:00:00Z dyrz: how can i implement derivation then ?
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2015-04-20T16:03:22Z kephra: dyrz, http://kephra.de/o3proto/dx.html <- do you mean numeric - take a look at html source ;-)
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2015-04-20T16:04:57Z dyrz: no , for example  this , http://i.imgur.com/GyDlEen.png
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2015-04-20T16:06:40Z kephra: *oh* symbolic - perhaps PAIP has a chapter on it
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2015-04-20T16:07:51Z dyrz: how do we implement something like this ?
2015-04-20T16:08:56Z kephra: dyrz, http://norvig.com/paip/macsyma.lisp
2015-04-20T16:09:16Z kephra ducks for cover, before someone asks why this works
2015-04-20T16:09:31Z kephra: rtfm - the book is worth reading!
2015-04-20T16:09:40Z dyrz: this is too much :D
2015-04-20T16:10:45Z kephra: (defun deriv (y x) (simplify `(d ,y ,x))) ;;; <- what is to complicated in this simple defun ;-)
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2015-04-20T16:11:58Z dyrz: derivation , is that simple ? :D
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2015-04-20T16:27:12Z kephra: the norvig code above does much more then just symbolic derivation
2015-04-20T16:30:13Z dyrz: but i need a simple one to undertand things
2015-04-20T16:32:10Z oleo: simplify is like apply rules.....
2015-04-20T16:32:22Z oleo: depending on the input
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2015-04-20T16:36:06Z dyrz: how ?
2015-04-20T16:36:50Z oleo: combined with unification or so....
2015-04-20T16:37:20Z oleo: such that you don't have to write infinite rulesets....
2015-04-20T16:37:31Z oleo: which you couldn't anyway....
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2015-04-20T16:44:25Z contrapunctus: Is there an (actively-developed, stable) equivalent to Parenscript for Scheme?
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2015-04-20T16:45:53Z contrapunctus: (Spock says it's in a 'very early state'. I'm not sure if BiwaScheme effectively results in the same thing as Parenscript.)
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2015-04-20T17:12:18Z wasamasa: honestly though
2015-04-20T17:12:24Z wasamasa: I'd probably use clojurescript
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2015-04-20T17:27:20Z contrapunctus: wasamasa: did I miss something before "honestly though"?
2015-04-20T17:29:47Z contrapunctus: I wouldn't mind using CL or Clojure, but wondered if there was a Scheme alternative. I'm inclined towards sticking to and get closer to mastering one language first.
2015-04-20T17:30:51Z wasamasa: contrapunctus: no, it's just the language that got most battle-testing
2015-04-20T17:31:51Z wasamasa: maybe that's why nicferrier wants to translate elisp to JS, just to have a competitor to these other lisp to JS dialects
2015-04-20T17:35:12Z contrapunctus: What became of 'ejacs'?
2015-04-20T17:35:23Z wasamasa: contrapunctus: http://ceaude.twoticketsplease.de/js-lisps.html
2015-04-20T17:35:35Z wasamasa: contrapunctus: yes, I like throwing around this pretty old chart
2015-04-20T17:35:40Z contrapunctus: oh god. seen it before xD
2015-04-20T17:35:48Z contrapunctus: It's depressing.
2015-04-20T17:35:54Z wasamasa: I love its design
2015-04-20T17:36:53Z wasamasa: perhaps ES6 and its built-in TCE support will spur development of alternative implementations
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2015-04-20T17:50:48Z turbofail: clojurescript's greatest advantage is that it actually eliminates a bunch of semantic warts in JS instead of just providing paren syntax
2015-04-20T17:51:03Z turbofail: the tooling is still a little iffy though
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2015-04-20T18:22:44Z contrapunctus: wasamasa , turbofail , I'll check out ClojureScript sometime, then, thanks :)
2015-04-20T18:27:25Z zacts: turbofail: your nick reminds me of kernel panics
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2015-04-20T18:53:11Z kephra: it reminds me more about one of our products: optimizing maintenance of Siemens power plant turbines with machine learning
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2015-04-20T19:14:27Z kephra: http://kephra.de/o3proto/r4rs-subset.html <- many small progresses on r4rs today
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