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2015-02-27T09:34:26Z HisaoNakai: o/
2015-02-27T09:35:34Z wingo: ahoy
2015-02-27T09:35:41Z grantix: If Scheme would have been popular and standardized in the time of LispMs, would it of been a viable choice comparative to a MacLisp-based language?
2015-02-27T09:35:59Z grantix: I've heard people claim it wouldn't "scale enough for that big of programs"...
2015-02-27T09:36:08Z grantix: I am very dubious of that claim.
2015-02-27T09:36:36Z HisaoNakai: .o(holy crap it's Andy Wingo o_o)
2015-02-27T09:37:29Z wingo: just another scheme hacker :)
2015-02-27T09:37:29Z grantix: Just like the wild Wingo, sings a song just like he's singing -- ooh, ooh, ooh.
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2015-02-27T09:37:59Z HisaoNakai: heh
2015-02-27T09:38:38Z HisaoNakai: Is there a plist library for Chicken Scheme? kvlist describes itself as a subset, and there are references to plists elsewhere in their wiki, but I haven't been able to find anything definite...
2015-02-27T09:39:13Z grantix: Are there any comparatively "large" Scheme programs compared to Maclisp-derived languages?
2015-02-27T09:39:58Z grantix: I mean, obviously it's possible -- but from my limited experience, it does seem like bigger projects do seem to lean to the side of CL.
2015-02-27T09:40:41Z wingo: grantix: do you know of any big CL programs written in the last 10 years?  many big programs date from past days
2015-02-27T09:40:46Z wingo: still you might be right tho
2015-02-27T09:41:05Z wingo: many scheme hackers don't aim to write large programs
2015-02-27T09:41:12Z grantix: That being said, I suppose that might be a more of a structural issue in the community rather than a technical... Namely, I would suspect that due to the fact that Scheme code really hasn't been easily 'portable' between implmentations.
2015-02-27T09:41:23Z wingo: but chez for example is a world-class impl
2015-02-27T09:41:38Z grantix: wingo: True.
2015-02-27T09:41:41Z wingo: and you can do amazing things in many other schemes or scheme family langs
2015-02-27T09:41:45Z wingo: racket, guile, etc
2015-02-27T09:43:27Z grantix: I just thought it was a weird argument and one that I've heard parroted a number of times by individuals in the CL community, that again, Scheme isn't well suited for "large programs".
2015-02-27T09:44:33Z wingo: well you need modules, which until 10 years ago was not part of a standard
2015-02-27T09:44:54Z wingo: so you had to refer to particular implementations (and in practice effective programmers still do)
2015-02-27T09:45:02Z grantix: And too, the lack of large-programs in Scheme vs CL (even if not current), while I don't think gives such a claim any real credence -- is a bit unusual, but yeah, can be explained away in a lot of areas.
2015-02-27T09:45:04Z wingo: then as now there are good implementations.
2015-02-27T09:46:13Z grantix: wingo: Any recommendations for a good clear-cut learning implementation, for which to implement an interpreter?
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2015-02-27T09:46:41Z wasamasa: grantix: I suspect the large programs are not open source
2015-02-27T09:47:06Z grantix: wasamasa: The "large" scheme programs?
2015-02-27T09:47:14Z wasamasa: grantix: yes
2015-02-27T09:47:41Z grantix: Likely; Naughty Dog, the game company has historically and still does to some degree embed it in one of their game-engines.
2015-02-27T09:48:46Z grantix: There was some non-free 3d modeling software, that was "natural sculpting" like zbrush -- that I think used Scheme. If not, I know it was some Lisp.
2015-02-27T09:49:22Z grantix: But I recall Scheme, though that can certainly be a failable memory.
2015-02-27T09:51:32Z grantix: Yeah, it's kinda a real shame that there is no viable way to get accurate analytics on these things.
2015-02-27T09:54:26Z grantix: wingo: Are you still in Fr, or are you an insomniac now? :^)
2015-02-27T09:54:34Z wingo in france :)
2015-02-27T09:54:52Z wingo: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations
2015-02-27T09:54:52Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx
2015-02-27T09:55:25Z grantix: wingo: Ah, very neat; Ty!
2015-02-27T09:55:32Z wingo: np :)
2015-02-27T09:56:47Z grantix: Doesn't one implement part of a interpreter in SICP, or am I thinking of something else completely off base?
2015-02-27T09:57:05Z grantix: In any case ... one of these days, I'll get past chapter 2. :^I
2015-02-27T09:57:22Z wingo: hehe
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2015-02-27T09:59:58Z grantix: My loose-goal, is by the time lowRISC comes out -- to basically reimplement "Dream Scheme 'OS'" on it. Which gives me about 2 years, so I think that's likely relatively reasonable to get my skills or rather current lack thereof to a state where such a thing is doable.
2015-02-27T10:00:18Z grantix: Seems like a very fun project to me, for such a little board. :^)
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2015-02-27T10:14:18Z grantix: Okay, going to attempt to be "smart" and attempt to go to bed. o/
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2015-02-27T17:31:38Z z0d: Riastradh: what architecture is "Spectrum" in MIT-Scheme's sources? src/compiler/machines/spectrum
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2015-02-27T17:41:32Z z0d: I really doubt that
2015-02-27T17:41:44Z z0d: it has, what, 48k free RAM?
2015-02-27T17:41:58Z z0d: I had one when I was a child
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2015-02-27T17:52:23Z taylanub: 3 MHz CPU doesn't sound too hot either
2015-02-27T17:54:20Z z0d: hey, it's a Z80! watch your tounge
2015-02-27T17:55:54Z taylanub: *gulp*
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2015-02-27T18:02:09Z Riastradh: z0d: Hewlett-Packard PA-RISC.
2015-02-27T18:08:11Z z0d: Riastradh: thank you
2015-02-27T18:08:27Z Riastradh: Planning to do something with it?
2015-02-27T18:09:22Z z0d: I'm still getting acquainted with MIT-Scheme, so no
2015-02-27T18:10:28Z Riastradh: Note every back end except C, i386, and amd64 is currently dead/bitrotten.
2015-02-27T18:10:48Z z0d: I thought so
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