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2015-02-23T07:20:06Z ManDay: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/further.html#./further:h0 Gives a set of what he calls "fundamental forms" which doesn't contain letrec, however (but he doesn't give a defn of letrec). Can letrec indeed be realized through the listed forms only (lambda, if) ?
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2015-02-23T07:22:07Z wasamasa: letrec should be a matter of setting the listed bindings to nil first, then binding their values as it progresses
2015-02-23T07:22:46Z ManDay: What do you mean by "as it progresses"?
2015-02-23T07:23:11Z wasamasa: well, the intended usecase of letrec is defining mutually recursive functions
2015-02-23T07:23:18Z ManDay: yes
2015-02-23T07:23:43Z wasamasa: so, you set each definition to nil first to prevent errors when evaluating a binding that references to a yet undefined one
2015-02-23T07:23:58Z ManDay: Ah, I see what you mean
2015-02-23T07:24:01Z wasamasa: and set them to the respective function later
2015-02-23T07:24:13Z ManDay: Thanks!
2015-02-23T07:27:19Z wasamasa: I think I've seen a definition using that trick, but can't remember where
2015-02-23T07:28:44Z ManDay: named letrec confuses me ._.
2015-02-23T07:28:49Z wasamasa: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dyb/pubs/fixing-letrec.pdf
2015-02-23T07:29:04Z wasamasa: nil is the undefined value in case it wasn't clear
2015-02-23T07:32:17Z wasamasa: so, in this implementation you first bind all variables to an undefined value, bind all values to temporary variables, then use set! to bind these values to the variables
2015-02-23T07:32:39Z ManDay: wasamasa: If X.org allowed me to Copy & Paste, I'd actually open and read that pdf...
2015-02-23T07:33:20Z wasamasa: I don't quite get why there's a need for temporary variables, but it sounds about right
2015-02-23T07:34:01Z wasamasa: ManDay: so you're not using an IRC client that makes the links clickable?
2015-02-23T07:34:17Z ManDay: wasamasa: Nope.
2015-02-23T07:34:17Z wasamasa: ManDay: in that case I'd search the internet for "fixing letrec"
2015-02-23T07:34:33Z ManDay: ah, got it, ty
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2015-02-23T07:40:22Z ManDay: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/further.html#./further:h2 <- Can anyone explained "named let"? I understand neither the informa description ('name' is bound within the body to WHICH procedure??) nor the formal one, which contains a bunch of mismatching ellipsis)!
2015-02-23T07:42:15Z wasamasa: (let loop () (print "Hello World!") (loop))
2015-02-23T07:42:55Z pjb:  (let loop () (print "Hello World!") (loop)) = (letrec ((loop (lambda () (print "Hello World!") (loop)))) (loop))
2015-02-23T07:43:02Z wasamasa: it's basically a variant that allows you to define a local function taking arguments you can use recursively
2015-02-23T07:43:15Z wasamasa: so, ideal for doing loops without letrec
2015-02-23T07:44:10Z pjb: A more interesting example would be: (let loop ((i 0)) (if (< i 10) (loop (+ 1 i)))) = (letrec ((loop (lambda (i) (if (< i 10) (loop (+ 1 i)))))) (loop 0))
2015-02-23T07:44:56Z ManDay: ...I think Scheme programmers have an additional part of their brain which just keeps track of parenthesis opening and closing....
2015-02-23T07:45:11Z ManDay ponders about the examples
2015-02-23T07:45:17Z wasamasa: no, they just use a text editor that highlights them
2015-02-23T07:45:25Z wasamasa: and takes care of the pairing
2015-02-23T07:45:34Z ManDay: wasamasa: heh, then how did he write that in IRC :-P
2015-02-23T07:45:42Z pjb: with emacs!
2015-02-23T07:45:48Z pjb: everything's done with emacs!
2015-02-23T07:45:52Z wasamasa: ManDay: well, I'm using IRC in my text editor, so...
2015-02-23T07:46:01Z ManDay: wasamasa: ...  emacs?
2015-02-23T07:46:04Z wasamasa: ManDay: yes
2015-02-23T07:46:25Z ManDay: hm... sounds kinda natural for a scheme programmer :-P
2015-02-23T07:46:25Z wasamasa: though, I'm not so sure whether the term "text editor" is really fitting, but whatever, I do all things text within it
2015-02-23T07:46:44Z wasamasa: anyways, for examples fitting an IRC message it's no issue
2015-02-23T07:46:46Z ManDay: maybe i should give it a try. never been too happy with vim
2015-02-23T07:47:07Z wasamasa: at some point I just open a new buffer or repl and tinker within that
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2015-02-23T07:55:35Z ManDay: wasamasa: is there a lot of configuration and scripting to be done to get emacs working in a sensible manner with scheme?
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2015-02-23T08:09:16Z ManDay: What is wrong with my attempted at defining a named let as (selfnamedlet) here: http://dpaste.com/3DS4QE2
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2015-02-23T08:58:21Z ManDay: Anyone?
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2015-02-23T09:01:08Z taylanub: ManDay: lemme see  (IRC can be slow)
2015-02-23T09:03:35Z taylanub: first of all let me reformat that code :)  http://sprunge.us/dKRW?scheme  (Emacs's M-q helps, but you have to know where to put the newlines)
2015-02-23T09:04:37Z taylanub: ManDay: BTW why do you use the term "init" for the first expression in a body?  is it like "initial expression"?  the usual convention is to do it like "body body* ..."
2015-02-23T09:04:53Z ManDay: I'm not used to conventions, yet
2015-02-23T09:04:55Z ManDay: Thanks
2015-02-23T09:05:03Z ManDay tries to figure out how to copy that link
2015-02-23T09:06:22Z taylanub: BTW if you want to copy text from that page, remove the "?scheme" part of the URL at the end; it will remove the line numbers so you can copy the raw text
2015-02-23T09:07:04Z ManDay: nono, I'm just having trouble with copy & paste from irc
2015-02-23T09:07:16Z ManDay copies the link manually
2015-02-23T09:07:45Z ManDay: I don't like where you put the newlines, btw
2015-02-23T09:07:54Z ManDay: anyway, whats wrong with my attempt?
2015-02-23T09:08:56Z taylanub: ManDay: the problem is that you have one pair of parentheses too much, so the result of using selfnamedlet is tried to be called like a zero-argument procedure
2015-02-23T09:09:58Z taylanub: http://sprunge.us/VVRf  I noticed after seeing nothing wrong with it then just trying it out
2015-02-23T09:10:36Z ManDay: taylanub: Ah thanks, now it works
2015-02-23T09:10:56Z ManDay: still gotta get used to the lot of parens
2015-02-23T09:11:42Z taylanub: ManDay: BTW to get Emacs working for Scheme, you'll want to install and learn Paredit, mainly.  then, if you use Racket or Guile, you might want Geiser; for other Scheme implementations I don't know
2015-02-23T09:12:04Z ManDay: guile ^^
2015-02-23T09:13:40Z taylanub: when you have Geiser installed, you can open a scheme file (say create a new one), then hit C-c C-z to create a Scheme REPL in a window on the side, then in the file you can hit C-M-x while the cursor is anywhere in a top-level form (like a 'define' form), and it will be executed in the REPL
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2015-02-23T09:16:11Z ManDay: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/further.html#./further:h2 - about call/cc - the example
2015-02-23T09:16:13Z ManDay: (let ([x (call/cc (lambda (k) k))])
2015-02-23T09:16:15Z ManDay:   (x (lambda (ignore) "hi"))) <graphic> "hi"
2015-02-23T09:16:38Z ManDay: irritates me. The document never specifies what a continuation evaluates to, right?
2015-02-23T09:17:30Z ManDay: So from what the document explains, there is no way telling what that example would produce, since "x" in the second lines is a continuation and the whole thing should evaluate to what that continuation "x" evaluates to.
2015-02-23T09:17:49Z ManDay: But no one ever explained what a continuation evaluates to?
2015-02-23T09:19:06Z ManDay: having a hard time understanding those continuuations. they are more than "goto"s, right?
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2015-02-23T09:21:19Z ManDay: should i imagine some instruction pointer going from line 1 to 2, back to 1 and to 2 again - or is that picture misleading?
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2015-02-23T09:37:33Z taylanub: continuations are tricky indeed, but especially because the examples using them tend to be, in my opinion, kind of stupid.  once one has learned the concept, real use-cases arise naturally and it makes much more sense then
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2015-02-23T09:38:06Z taylanub: ManDay: x is, at first, bound to a continuation which, when called, will restart the binding of x, giving it a new value and repeating the body
2015-02-23T09:38:46Z ManDay: taylanub: I understood it thus far. My problem is more like what it means to "restart"
2015-02-23T09:39:01Z taylanub: ManDay: so when the body does (x (lambda ...)), that reinstates the 'let' as follows: (let ((x (lambda (ignore) "hi"))) (x (lambda (ignore) "hi")))
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2015-02-23T09:39:38Z ManDay: Having grown up with imperative programming, I tend to think of instruction pointers or terms thereof
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2015-02-23T09:40:03Z taylanub: it's a GOTO with arguments
2015-02-23T09:40:58Z ManDay: So it's actually correct (without any exception) to say that invoking a continuation will jump back in the program to where the call/cc returns its value?
2015-02-23T09:41:23Z ManDay: (while leaving all variables in the current state)
2015-02-23T09:42:07Z ManDay: I'm just a bit reluctant to apply this terminology of "variables" and "returning" something to functional programming, where intrinsically there is only notion of objects evaluating to some value, I thought
2015-02-23T09:42:12Z taylanub: yes but not sure what you mean with "leaving variables in the current state"
2015-02-23T09:42:33Z ManDay: taylanub: As with the sandwitch continuation on Wikipedia: The sandwhich is still on the counter
2015-02-23T09:43:16Z ManDay: It has not reset everything, as if time were reset
2015-02-23T09:44:54Z taylanub: it does reset pretty much everything; it jumps to the whole program state that was active when the continuation was captured
2015-02-23T09:45:39Z ManDay: but what about the sandwich?... let me make an example
2015-02-23T09:45:53Z ManDay: oh nvm
2015-02-23T09:46:01Z ManDay: I guess I'll just take it as it comes, as you said :)
2015-02-23T09:48:00Z DerGuteMoritz: "it jumps to the whole program state that was active when the continuation was captured" <- that's not true for bindings that have been mutated in between, though
2015-02-23T09:48:46Z DerGuteMoritz: e.g. (let* ((x 1) (k (call/cc (lambda (k) k)))) (display x) (set! x 2) (when k (k #f))) will print 12
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2015-02-23T09:58:00Z taylanub: right, that was somewhat exaggerated.  mutation changes everything.
2015-02-23T09:58:16Z ManDay: thats what i meant
2015-02-23T09:58:23Z taylanub: oh I see
2015-02-23T09:58:51Z ManDay: I know the sandwitch was a bit too simple-minded for you ^^
2015-02-23T09:58:53Z taylanub: generally `set!' usage is discouraged so I tend to forget about it :)
2015-02-23T09:59:02Z taylanub: I don't know what the sandwich example is
2015-02-23T09:59:10Z ManDay: taylanub: I'm think everthing with sideeffects will not "reset"
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2015-02-23T09:59:44Z taylanub: right
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2015-02-23T10:01:05Z ManDay: now i understood everything
2015-02-23T10:01:12Z ManDay: the examples are obvious now :)
2015-02-23T10:04:50Z ManDay: so one may readily say that, apart from sideeffects, the program is reset to the original state BUT with the return value of call/cc being something else
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2015-02-23T10:08:00Z taylanub: yup
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2015-02-23T10:10:19Z taylanub: though it took me a while to make the jump from call/cc to delimited continuations
2015-02-23T10:11:16Z taylanub: I find Guile's way of implementing them most intuitive.  I found the shift/reset and prompt/control stuff incredibly confusing at first; barely get my head around them now that I already know what's going on
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2015-02-23T10:14:51Z ManDay: taylanub: will the document i linked to cover "delimited continuations"?
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2015-02-23T10:41:46Z ManDay: cos I was planning on reading that afterwards anyway
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2015-02-23T13:50:22Z vanila: which scheme compilers produce the most efficient code?
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2015-02-23T13:51:08Z vraid: stalin is a good bet
2015-02-23T13:51:57Z vanila: what other options are there? since I think stalin is probably hard to get running due to being so sold
2015-02-23T13:51:58Z vanila: old
2015-02-23T13:52:06Z taylanub: vanila: if you want something sanely usable, I hear Gambit and Bigloo are pretty fast, generating native code.  Chicken might be too.
2015-02-23T13:52:41Z taylanub: maybe Racket too
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2015-02-23T13:54:11Z vanila: sounds like benchmark time :)
2015-02-23T13:54:13Z taylanub: that being said, and generalizing like this is not very sensible anyway because different implementations are good at different things...
2015-02-23T13:54:24Z taylanub: s/and//
2015-02-23T13:54:57Z taylanub: and you often don't need the efficiency you think you do, and instead your program suffers from some very specific bottlenecks which implementation choice might or might not have an effect on...
2015-02-23T13:55:06Z taylanub: vanila: for what exactly do you need efficiency?
2015-02-23T13:55:43Z vanila: making an interpreter for a programming language
2015-02-23T13:58:01Z taylanub: vanila: shouldn't you be using EDSLs? ;-)
2015-02-23T13:58:15Z vanila: im not sure!
2015-02-23T13:58:50Z taylanub: vanila: is this educational, or a "real-world" application?
2015-02-23T13:59:19Z vanila: well it's research I guess, it's supposed to be useful too
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2015-02-23T14:01:04Z taylanub: if the former, I don't think you'd need much efficiency.  if the latter, I'm skeptical at the need of any more programming languages when whatever they're supposed to achieve could probably be achieved in the form of a library/EDSL/etc. for/in another language
2015-02-23T14:01:23Z taylanub: but don't let me ruin your fun
2015-02-23T14:01:44Z vanila: oh yeah it is an embedded language that you use/mix with scheme
2015-02-23T14:02:35Z taylanub: EDSL usually means it's implemented as a bunch of macros (and procedures I guess), more or less
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2015-02-23T15:03:04Z gnomon: Riastradh, when you say "splitting [your Blag] into multiple files", do you perchance mean one file per post?
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2015-02-23T15:25:20Z Riastradh: gnomon: Well, I did it for two posts, anyway.
2015-02-23T15:27:50Z Riastradh: gnomon: See the permalinks.
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2015-02-23T18:04:03Z BW^-: a number in the format N/N e.g. 283798247584/1834793 , what is this called specifically in Scheme.
2015-02-23T18:04:31Z BW^-: and, using what test procedures do you identify a number as being in this format, as opposed to in any other format (integer, flonum etc)?
2015-02-23T18:07:23Z Riastradh: Standard Scheme doesn't have names for these machine representations.  It's often called `ratio' or `ratnum'.
2015-02-23T18:07:28Z vraid: BW^-: it's a rational number
2015-02-23T18:07:41Z LeoNerd: I like to call them bigrats
2015-02-23T18:07:52Z LeoNerd: Not to be confused with R.O.U.S.es
2015-02-23T18:07:58Z BW^-: aha
2015-02-23T18:08:18Z Riastradh: Is that like a bigram?  I wonder what a grat is.
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2015-02-23T18:10:47Z BW^-: leonerd: ROUSes??
2015-02-23T18:11:19Z LeoNerd: BW^-: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOv5ZjAOpC8 - from The Princess Bride
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2015-02-23T18:12:50Z BW^-: mhm
2015-02-23T18:12:59Z BW^-: aha
2015-02-23T18:14:10Z BW^-: Ristradth,vraid: So, I have a number a:
2015-02-23T18:14:15Z BW^-: (define (n) (random-integer (expt 10 25)))
2015-02-23T18:14:18Z BW^-: (define a (/ (n) (n)))
2015-02-23T18:14:36Z BW^-: and an integer i: (define i 7)
2015-02-23T18:14:42Z BW^-: and a fixnum: (define f 1.2)
2015-02-23T18:15:20Z BW^-: ristradh,vraid: how do I implement a typecheck |ratnum?| such that it gives #t for a but not for i nor f?
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2015-02-23T18:17:49Z Riastradh: What happens if RANDOM-INTEGER returns 7 and 1?
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2015-02-23T18:32:31Z vraid: BW^-: if it's fractional and not an integer
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2015-02-23T18:32:42Z vraid: rational* and not an integer
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2015-02-23T18:34:09Z Riastradh: BW^-: What is it you're trying to accomplish?
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2015-02-23T18:36:23Z BW^-: ah god
2015-02-23T18:36:23Z BW^-: ah, rational
2015-02-23T18:36:45Z BW^-: vraid,riastradh: ah so it's a |rational?| but not an |integer?|.
2015-02-23T18:36:46Z BW^-: super.
2015-02-23T18:37:04Z Riastradh: Note that so is 4.2.
2015-02-23T18:37:09Z BW^-: riastradh: just fix my terminology that/s all :)
2015-02-23T18:37:10Z BW^-: aaaaaaaaah
2015-02-23T18:37:12Z BW^-: duh
2015-02-23T18:37:26Z Riastradh: 1/2 is an exact rational; 0.5 is an inexact one.
2015-02-23T18:37:27Z BW^-: vraid,riastradh: so it's a |rational?| but not an |integer?| and neither a |flonum?|.
2015-02-23T18:37:29Z BW^-: enough?
2015-02-23T18:37:34Z BW^-: or do we need to add an integrals check too?
2015-02-23T18:37:46Z Riastradh: 0.5 is not necessarily a `flonum', if there is no local concept of flonum.
2015-02-23T18:37:58Z Riastradh: E.g., early versions of Scheme48 had no flonums.  They just had a flag indicating exactness.
2015-02-23T18:39:05Z BW^-: mhm
2015-02-23T18:39:19Z BW^-: riastradh: this stuff hurts, these 123/456 forms should have their own typecheck!
2015-02-23T18:39:24Z BW^-: specific
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2015-02-23T19:01:17Z turbofail: too bad BW^- left before learning about the exact? predicate
2015-02-23T19:01:43Z saul: Is there any way to effective map a macro to list?
2015-02-23T19:02:01Z saul: *effectively
2015-02-23T19:02:07Z turbofail: put a call to said macro in a lambda
2015-02-23T19:02:56Z turbofail: that said it doesn't really make sense to do such a thing
2015-02-23T19:02:59Z saul: turbofail, In my situation the macro takes a symbol and is supposed to define it.
2015-02-23T19:03:34Z turbofail: well any such mapping will have to happen at compile time then
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2015-02-23T19:03:53Z turbofail: or macroexpansion time i mean
2015-02-23T19:04:39Z turbofail: you could write another macro that expands to a bunch of calls to the first macro
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2015-02-23T19:05:27Z vanila: you can't map a macro over a list
2015-02-23T19:06:43Z turbofail: you could do something like (define-syntax define-lots (syntax-rules () ((_ sym ...) (begin (define-one x) ...))))
2015-02-23T19:06:54Z turbofail: er, replace x with sym
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2015-02-23T19:08:58Z saul: turbofail, I will try that (expanding a second macro). Note: I am using PLT style macros and don't have syntax-rules available.
2015-02-23T19:10:38Z turbofail: wth are plt style macros?
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2015-02-23T19:15:05Z saul: turbofail, I mean the old-style "define-macro" type macros. http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/dorai/t-y-scheme/t-y-scheme-Z-H-10.html
2015-02-23T19:15:30Z Riastradh: Those are hardly `PLT-style'; a better word for them is `broken'.
2015-02-23T19:15:52Z Riastradh: What is the problem you are actually trying to solve here?
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2015-02-23T19:19:51Z saul: Riastradh, I have a bunch of closures in the global environment bound to symbols such as 'foo-one 'foo-two 'foo-three .  I wish to define procedures in the local environment without the "foo-", and with new closure that takes the car of the result of applying the corresponding global procedure.
2015-02-23T19:21:07Z saul: I have a successful macro ("decar") that produces the appropriate defines, but I wish to run that macro on about 200 symbols.
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2015-02-23T19:24:20Z saul: It is not that difficult to run (decar 'foo-one) (decar 'foo-two)  (decar 'foo-three) ...  in the local environment. I was just hoping to specify the list of symbols and thus eliminate writing the "decar"s 200 times.
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2015-02-23T19:30:43Z saul: (actually, since decar is a macro, the arguments wouldn't be quoted.)
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2015-02-23T19:48:10Z saul: Thanks for the help. I think I will be able to use a second macro to expand the list. If not, no big problem.
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2015-02-23T20:18:43Z z0d: how do I write out a number as a 16-bit integer to a file?
2015-02-23T20:19:01Z z0d: as binary, not as text
2015-02-23T20:19:44Z LeoNerd: Personally, I'd divmod by 256 then write the resulting two numbers as bytes
2015-02-23T20:19:55Z LeoNerd: (that way I know I'm in control of endian)
2015-02-23T20:20:23Z taylanub was bored on Sunday evening so ey indulged in eir hobby of thinking up new language semantics for Scheme  http://taylanub.github.io/doc/scheme-values.txt
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2015-02-23T20:23:13Z vanila: Drew Crawford unfortunately proves to be ignorant, and unaware and unwilling to accept of his ignorance
2015-02-23T20:23:14Z vanila: hahaha
2015-02-23T20:23:26Z vanila: is that the same dickhead from #lisp
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2015-02-23T20:23:49Z z0d: writing bytes to files is not in R5RS, right?
2015-02-23T20:24:17Z taylanub: no, it's some iOS person.  by the way I fel bad about the page you're quoting because I wrote it very badly in a "nerd rage" :(  it felt better than to keep silent though
2015-02-23T20:24:26Z taylanub: z0d: R5RS has no bytevectors
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2015-02-23T20:43:58Z Riastradh: taylanub: Familiar with Racket's named argument system?  Much better than the traditional Lisp one.
2015-02-23T20:55:24Z taylanub: Riastradh: just looked it up; is there more to it than http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/lambda.html ?
2015-02-23T20:56:22Z vanila: do you want my criticism of your post taylanub?
2015-02-23T20:57:36Z taylanub: vanila: do you mean the scheme-values one?
2015-02-23T20:57:41Z vanila: yeah
2015-02-23T20:57:48Z taylanub: ok
2015-02-23T20:57:50Z vanila: it seemed like there was too much syntax, I wonder if that can be toned down a bit?
2015-02-23T20:58:16Z taylanub: I don't know; any suggestion?
2015-02-23T20:58:26Z vanila: im not sure...
2015-02-23T20:58:48Z taylanub: you mean the part with two usages of #!optional, right?
2015-02-23T20:58:52Z vanila: tw
2015-02-23T20:58:55Z vanila: Yeah
2015-02-23T20:59:43Z Riastradh: vanila: They're parallel to, not embedded in, the positional arguments.
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2015-02-23T21:00:05Z Riastradh: So you can intermix them however you like, and there's no parsing of positional arguments at run-time to pick out the named ones.
2015-02-23T21:00:16Z Riastradh: That is, you can syntactically intermix them however you like.
2015-02-23T21:00:59Z taylanub: there's the option of going down to one use of #!optional, but that forces optional positional values to come after non-optional keyword values, so I dislike it.  given that, I don't think one can really get much less verbose
2015-02-23T21:01:48Z taylanub: vanila: if you meant all the #:foo tokens, they're just the flags naming the non-positional arguments, so that cannot be avoided
2015-02-23T21:02:16Z vanila: :(
2015-02-23T21:02:56Z taylanub: one might envision something like (foo #:kw-args ((x a) (y b))) or so, but that's pretty crazy, unconventional, and merely saves some "#:"
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2015-02-23T21:03:30Z vanila: I dont' like #:
2015-02-23T21:03:34Z vanila: whatever it is
2015-02-23T21:03:35Z Riastradh: Always hated the `#:' gizmo.  Common Lisp's `:' prefix is much less visually repulsive.
2015-02-23T21:03:43Z vanila: it reminds me of having trouble trying to use packages in CL
2015-02-23T21:04:03Z taylanub: hehe
2015-02-23T21:04:15Z taylanub: Guile supports all three of #:foo, :foo, and foo:, through reader settings :P
2015-02-23T21:04:49Z taylanub: it's really irrelevant to my proposals of course.  I'm fine with any syntax; it's just the semantics I'm pondering on
2015-02-23T21:05:01Z vanila: ahh, well ill reread it wit that in mind
2015-02-23T21:05:13Z vanila: but im very shallow and just seeing something like that put me off right away
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