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I want to connect win32 DLL to my Scheme code. thanks in advance. 2015-02-03T12:34:16Z pjb: PinealGlandOptic: I have no idea. Googling for compare scheme implementation gives things like: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations 2015-02-03T12:34:16Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx 2015-02-03T12:36:00Z redeemed joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:56:03Z psy quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-03T12:56:06Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:57:24Z acharm quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-03T12:57:24Z zwer quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-03T12:57:24Z ecthiender quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-03T12:57:24Z zadock quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-03T12:57:24Z ecthiender joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:57:25Z ecthiender quit (Changing host) 2015-02-03T12:57:25Z ecthiender joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:57:41Z uber_hulk quit (Changing host) 2015-02-03T12:57:41Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:57:49Z acharm joined #scheme 2015-02-03T12:59:22Z wasamasa: I doubt there is any specifically targeted at win32 2015-02-03T13:00:46Z wasamasa: probably because it still is a pain to work with 2015-02-03T13:00:54Z wasamasa: however there are a bunch that focus on C interop 2015-02-03T13:01:13Z wasamasa: like chicken, guile, chibi, gambit, ... 2015-02-03T13:02:07Z wasamasa: I know for sure than win32 support is rather low on chicken's TODO, no idea about the state of it for others 2015-02-03T13:03:42Z turtleman_ joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:03:50Z wasamasa: doesn't look too bad when it comes to simple wrapping though: https://bitbucket.org/mklm/win32-msgbox/src/6d2b551d42d9b1f7811ef3215881a9da684c443d/win32-msgbox.scm?at=master 2015-02-03T13:03:50Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/mp2dn7q 2015-02-03T13:23:05Z pjb: http://www.yaya.fr/Bigloo/ 2015-02-03T13:38:59Z davexunit joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:39:07Z zwer joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:44:25Z ASau` joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:44:49Z zadock joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:45:13Z rtra quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-02-03T13:46:21Z taylanub quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-02-03T13:46:42Z taylanub joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:46:53Z alezost joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:47:35Z ASau quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-03T13:47:58Z ASau` is now known as ASau 2015-02-03T13:48:05Z fsckd joined #scheme 2015-02-03T13:49:15Z turtleman_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-03T13:53:45Z PinealGlandOptic: thanks for your answers! 2015-02-03T13:59:33Z Khisanth quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-03T14:01:41Z rtra joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:01:58Z Khisanth joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:07:41Z enitiz joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:11:46Z acarrico quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-03T14:16:07Z askatasuna joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:18:18Z rtra quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-03T14:21:50Z uris77 joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:26:52Z badkins joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:34:17Z ecthiender quit (Quit: gotta go) 2015-02-03T14:39:38Z Bahman quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-02-03T14:41:36Z fantazo quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2015-02-03T14:43:02Z Bahman joined #scheme 2015-02-03T14:43:58Z stamourv joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:02:01Z qubitnerd joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:02:06Z qubitnerd left #scheme 2015-02-03T15:03:54Z uber_hulk quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-02-03T15:07:03Z Soft joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:08:59Z Isp-sec joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:17:59Z oleo joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:19:18Z ijp joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:23:22Z githogori joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:33:01Z vdamewood quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2015-02-03T15:47:29Z psy joined #scheme 2015-02-03T15:59:37Z enitiz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-03T16:14:07Z daviid joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:15:37Z badkins quit 2015-02-03T16:15:56Z cdtaylor joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:17:48Z adu joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:19:03Z theseb joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:25:35Z sheilong joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:26:57Z Bahman quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-03T16:28:31Z Bahman joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:28:35Z turtleman_ joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:28:51Z nee quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-02-03T16:33:53Z enitiz joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:34:07Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:35:35Z githogori_ joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:36:06Z githogori quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-03T16:42:09Z rtra joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:43:50Z b4283 quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-02-03T16:48:23Z vanila joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:49:36Z rtra quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-03T16:52:23Z fantazo joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:52:34Z fleaswallow joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:57:55Z AkashicLegend joined #scheme 2015-02-03T16:58:20Z vraid quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-03T17:01:11Z rtra joined #scheme 2015-02-03T17:06:08Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2015-02-03T17:07:59Z excelsior joined #scheme 2015-02-03T17:08:06Z bb010g quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-02-03T17:12:34Z hiyosi quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I agree with both of you :) 2015-02-03T19:08:13Z vanila: I wonder why it is a SRFI 2015-02-03T19:08:14Z kazimir42 joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:08:33Z vanila: this could be someones project or something, but it doesn't make sense a SRFI 2015-02-03T19:12:58Z turtleman_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-02-03T19:16:05Z pnkfelix quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-02-03T19:16:06Z hellofunk: jqc 2015-02-03T19:16:09Z bb010g joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:16:19Z alexei quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-03T19:17:21Z Kruppe quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-02-03T19:19:05Z wingo quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-02-03T19:21:01Z taylanub: I dislike (somewhat strongly) all efforts at indentation-based or otherwise "global" alternatives to normal sexpr syntax. SRFI-105 is very good IMO, for being local/self-contained in small parts of code and making some things *much* more readable, but SRFI-49, 110, and 119 are no-go 2015-02-03T19:21:07Z Kruppe joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:23:17Z vanila: i wonder why people put effort into this sort of thing 2015-02-03T19:23:20Z taylanub: the reason is, paredit makes normal sexpr editing extremely convenient, and I believe a person's eyes get fully used to parentheses in even more extreme cases like let-values after a relatively small amount of time spent with code, and these SRFI create wholely different looking syntax, meaning my subconscious (nervous system?) has to relearn it all even if the format is conceptually simple 2015-02-03T19:24:27Z taylanub: so a loss in editing convenience, no long-term difference in reading convenience, and forcing people to learn two syntaxes, all at the expense of having one that's quicker to learn (which in practical terms won't really save anyone from learning the other, because good luck convincing everyone) 2015-02-03T19:25:49Z vanila: i suppose that the fact python is popular justifies this 2015-02-03T19:26:01Z vanila: even if I personally think it's a bad idea 2015-02-03T19:26:18Z taylanub: I'm not sure whether python's syntax has a lot to do with its popularity 2015-02-03T19:26:22Z taylanub: because see perl 2015-02-03T19:27:09Z githogori joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:29:05Z uber_hulk joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:32:35Z wasamasa: taylanub: funny that there's a whopping four SRFIs that give you python-like syntax 2015-02-03T19:34:07Z taylanub: wasamasa: four? 2015-02-03T19:34:18Z taylanub: oh, 105 isn't Python-like 2015-02-03T19:35:22Z wasamasa: hmm 2015-02-03T19:35:27Z Vutral quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-02-03T19:35:29Z wasamasa: maybe that's why you don't reject it :P 2015-02-03T19:39:11Z alexei joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:42:03Z zadock joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:47:54Z Vutral joined #scheme 2015-02-03T19:49:47Z taylanub: the reasons are as I explained .. has nothing to do with Python 2015-02-03T20:02:22Z leppie quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-02-03T20:05:01Z civodul joined #scheme 2015-02-03T20:07:48Z leppie joined #scheme 2015-02-03T20:10:00Z AkashicLegend quit (Quit: AkashicLegend) 2015-02-03T20:13:14Z cocosp quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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