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2015-01-26T09:49:50Z vanila: Riastradh, hi
2015-01-26T09:52:27Z Riastradh: Hi, vanila.  What's up?
2015-01-26T09:52:30Z zacts: hi schemers
2015-01-26T09:52:35Z vanila: in paredit.el
2015-01-26T09:52:39Z vanila: ;;;   (add-hook M-mode-hook 'enable-paredit-mode)
2015-01-26T09:52:41Z vanila: should be
2015-01-26T09:52:43Z vanila: ;;;   (add-hook 'M-mode-hook 'enable-paredit-mode)
2015-01-26T09:53:04Z vanila: (add-hook scheme-mode-hook 'enable-paredit-mode) gives me an error and I had to quote it to get this working
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2015-01-26T09:53:26Z vanila: thats my opinion!
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2015-01-26T09:54:33Z Riastradh: You're right.  Oops.
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2015-01-26T09:55:33Z Riastradh: How shall I credit you?  `vanila'?
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2015-01-26T09:55:42Z vanila: no thanks!
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2015-01-26T09:56:18Z vanila: no need to put anything
2015-01-26T09:56:26Z Riastradh: OK, if you say so.
2015-01-26T09:57:04Z Riastradh: Fixed in Git.
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2015-01-26T10:22:18Z vanila: tried to discuss the guile thing in #emacs
2015-01-26T10:22:32Z vanila: assholes wont have a discussion with anyone who isn't in their little clique of regulars
2015-01-26T10:22:50Z vanila: just go on about how knowledge they are while saying nothing
2015-01-26T10:25:46Z C-Keen: maybe you should go for a walk ;)
2015-01-26T10:28:09Z taylanub: vanila: wasamasa is always snarky, I wouldn't mind him
2015-01-26T10:28:44Z wasamasa: vanila: it helps not just assuming things and waiting for others to correct your assumptions
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2015-01-26T10:29:15Z vanila: wasamasa,  yea you , fuck you
2015-01-26T10:29:20Z wasamasa: considering taylanub spent all that effort doing a proper summary of the events
2015-01-26T10:32:38Z C-Keen: vanila: seriously, relax...
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2015-01-26T12:01:28Z vanila: wasamasa, for real though I think there mght be something seriously wrong, if this is what you do with your life. no trying to hurt you but maybe its time to reevaluate
2015-01-26T12:03:07Z wasamasa sighs
2015-01-26T12:03:39Z wasamasa: vanila: look, it's ok, you can get over me essentially writing "Your statement was wrong" after two hours of dealing with it
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2015-01-26T12:22:08Z taylanub: I think the problem here is the lossiness of Internet communication and both sides need to chill and understand that snark can come over as seriously condescending tone to the other side
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2015-01-26T13:37:10Z vanila: Why is READ not in R7RS base?
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2015-01-26T13:49:36Z taylanub: beats me why such core/useful things like read/write and case-lambda get hoisted into their own libraries >_<
2015-01-26T13:50:22Z vanila: it's really weird given that base includes pretty much everything from R5RS except read...
2015-01-26T13:50:44Z taylanub: maybe the mailing list archives have a rationale
2015-01-26T13:51:31Z vanila: taylanub, how do you find the define-library syntax? how it makes you include all your code inside it & inside a begin too
2015-01-26T13:52:05Z vanila: (I am wishing it was flat right now, like (define) as opposited to let)
2015-01-26T13:52:43Z taylanub: I can put up with it.  tend to put the main body in a separate file such that it can also be included from other standard/implementation-specific library systems
2015-01-26T13:53:32Z vanila: could you show me an example of that please? maybe I should do it that way too
2015-01-26T13:54:09Z taylanub: https://gitorious.org/taylan-scheme/srfi/
2015-01-26T13:54:56Z taylanub: see .sld files under /srfi/
2015-01-26T13:55:00Z vanila: ah!
2015-01-26T13:55:02Z vanila: that's very nic
2015-01-26T13:55:03Z vanila: nice
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2015-01-26T13:57:13Z taylanub: (see all.sld and the foo.export.sld files)
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2015-01-26T14:14:02Z vanila: taylanub, you do not list sagittarius scheme?
2015-01-26T14:14:54Z vanila: maybe I will test it on that
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2015-01-26T14:23:22Z taylanub: vanila: my impression was that Sagittarius is more or less a "toy" implementation, but maybe I'm mistaken
2015-01-26T14:24:07Z taylanub: well, it certainly has no 1.0 release yet
2015-01-26T14:24:13Z vanila: I think it implements R6RS and R7RS completely
2015-01-26T14:25:31Z taylanub: sadly, the SRFI repo lacks most test suites.  if we had them we could quickly test whether Sagittarius is fine with all that code
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2015-01-26T14:26:59Z vanila: https://bitbucket.org/ktakashi/sagittarius-scheme/src/c06ceed808186834efebf93fc7ec9e8c8b5d35b3/sitelib/srfi/?at=default
2015-01-26T14:26:59Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/m2hwdxg
2015-01-26T14:27:05Z vanila: there are a lot of srfi's here
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2015-01-26T14:28:26Z taylanub: those seem R6RS
2015-01-26T14:28:53Z sethalves: sagittarius is pretty good.  it's fairly capable, it just has a smallish community
2015-01-26T14:29:44Z taylanub: sethalves: oh hi
2015-01-26T14:29:51Z sethalves: hi!
2015-01-26T14:30:11Z taylanub: FYI I fell into a big slump after new year .. will check the merge requests eventually
2015-01-26T14:30:28Z sethalves: there's no hurry
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2015-01-26T15:14:29Z vanila: does anyone have opinions on macros that make use of scheme functions?
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2015-01-26T15:14:43Z vanila: i wrote a complex part of the preprocessing for my macro in normal scheme
2015-01-26T15:14:57Z vanila: thought about porting it to CK macros, but im not sure if that's an improvement
2015-01-26T15:15:05Z vanila: (so that its purer and more portable)
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