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2015-01-17T20:26:48Z cosmez joined #scheme 2015-01-17T20:28:14Z pjb: install MacPorts, and then: port install mit-scheme 2015-01-17T20:28:37Z pjb: http://macports.org 2015-01-17T20:29:09Z xyh: legrandin: they are different implementations of scheme language. 2015-01-17T20:29:29Z ijp: legrandin: a frankly ridiculous amount 2015-01-17T20:29:44Z legrandin: ok so I'm reading SICP 2015-01-17T20:29:51Z pjb: Hence mit-scheme. 2015-01-17T20:29:56Z legrandin: cool thanks 2015-01-17T20:31:52Z oleo quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-17T20:35:42Z githogori_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-01-17T20:35:54Z oleo joined #scheme 2015-01-17T20:39:40Z jumblerg joined #scheme 2015-01-17T20:43:37Z badkins joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:01:29Z adu quit (Quit: adu) 2015-01-17T21:02:30Z githogori joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:18:13Z legrandin quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-01-17T21:19:22Z ddp quit (Quit: ddp) 2015-01-17T21:27:31Z agumonkey_ quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-01-17T21:28:43Z agumonkey joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:28:58Z zachstone joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:33:29Z zachstone quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-17T21:33:33Z pjdelport quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-01-17T21:35:05Z pjdelport joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:36:21Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-17T21:45:44Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:47:48Z xyh quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-01-17T21:51:27Z oldskirt_ joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:51:46Z hiyosi joined #scheme 2015-01-17T21:52:09Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-01-17T21:56:39Z jlongster joined #scheme 2015-01-17T22:00:46Z zacts: pjb: so you recommend mit-scheme for SICP? 2015-01-17T22:00:50Z zacts: how about guile? 2015-01-17T22:01:16Z zacts: I'm working on tackling my first pass thru SICP soon 2015-01-17T22:01:46Z offby1: supposedly racket has a SICP thing as a downloadable package, but I don't know how well it works 2015-01-17T22:02:23Z zacts: I think davexunit has been working on the picture language for guile 2015-01-17T22:02:33Z zacts: he seemed to have good luck overall with guile for SICP 2015-01-17T22:10:48Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-17T22:11:13Z msgodf quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-17T22:14:35Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-01-17T22:27:25Z alezost quit (Quit: I use GNU Guix ) 2015-01-17T22:33:39Z davexunit: zacts: I'm working on something different that is inspired by the SICP picture language 2015-01-17T22:33:46Z jlongster joined #scheme 2015-01-17T22:33:50Z davexunit: but in general, guile is just fine for SICP 2015-01-17T22:35:09Z zacts: ah ok 2015-01-17T22:35:12Z zacts: cool 2015-01-17T22:35:34Z zacts: so, I'm wondering about the concurrent schemer http://the-concurrent-schemer.github.io/scm-doc/ 2015-01-17T22:35:46Z zacts: I really need to learn the difference between R5RS and R7RS 2015-01-17T22:36:01Z zacts: when would I want to use R5RS, and when would I want to use R7RS? 2015-01-17T22:36:26Z zacts: I'll brb, heading over to the cafe 2015-01-17T22:42:45Z dpk: zacts: the R7RS Small spec is not hugely different from R5RS. it's an updated version following roughly the same principles 2015-01-17T22:43:47Z ijp: No Implementation Left Behind 2015-01-17T22:44:38Z dpk: coming sometime in the next decade will be R7RS Large, a language which has the same core but with a very different philosophy. it'll be a much more comprehensive language, practical for writing real programs in without implementation-specific things. we hope 2015-01-17T22:44:47Z ijp: pffft 2015-01-17T22:49:08Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-01-17T22:50:25Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-01-17T22:50:50Z githogori quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-17T22:57:04Z zacts: so in general which standard would I want to use? 2015-01-17T22:57:34Z githogori joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:08:53Z Bahman quit (Quit: zzZZ) 2015-01-17T23:20:26Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:20:27Z jeapostrophe quit (Changing host) 2015-01-17T23:20:27Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:27:32Z ecraven: zacts: R7RS, there isn't much else yet 2015-01-17T23:27:33Z offby1: re "when would I want to use R5RS, and when would I want to use R7RS?" 2015-01-17T23:27:36Z ecraven: some SRFIs too :) 2015-01-17T23:27:36Z offby1: "never" and "never" 2015-01-17T23:27:48Z zacts: offby1: ? 2015-01-17T23:27:54Z offby1: you use an implementation, not a standard 2015-01-17T23:27:57Z offby1: at least, I do 2015-01-17T23:28:01Z zacts: ah ok 2015-01-17T23:28:03Z zacts: I see 2015-01-17T23:28:18Z offby1 glances around nervously to see if jcowan is lurking 2015-01-17T23:28:35Z offby1: I really don't care about the standards; I care about what my implementation of choice does 2015-01-17T23:28:38Z ijp: so does practically everyone else 2015-01-17T23:28:52Z ijp: hands up if you've written > 200 lines of code that works on at least 4 implementations *this year* 2015-01-17T23:29:04Z ijp: where this year = the past 365 days, not the past 17 2015-01-17T23:29:14Z turbofail: i don't think i've written any scheme this year 2015-01-17T23:29:28Z ijp puts up hand 2015-01-17T23:29:38Z ecraven too 2015-01-17T23:29:45Z ecraven: but mostly without trying to :) 2015-01-17T23:29:47Z ijp: that's one more than usual 2015-01-17T23:30:01Z ecraven: if you write a lot of lines, you are bound to write some that work everywhere :) 2015-01-17T23:30:26Z ecraven: but the number of lines that only work on a specific implementation is certainly higher than the number of strictly portable lines 2015-01-17T23:30:28Z zachstone joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:35:14Z zachstone quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-01-17T23:42:52Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-01-17T23:45:26Z Isp-sec quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-01-17T23:47:41Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:49:31Z oldskirt_ quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-01-17T23:56:28Z AkashicLegend joined #scheme 2015-01-17T23:59:35Z excelsior quit (Quit: Lost terminal)