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2014-12-09T03:39:30Z BW^-: continuations all over the place!
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2014-12-09T03:58:20Z offby1: Hamburger all over the highway!
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2014-12-09T04:20:13Z BW^-: offby1: yes!
2014-12-09T04:22:33Z BW^-: offby1: there's no way for a VM to do both call/cc and shift/reset without passing around *two* k arguments on each internal function call, right
2014-12-09T04:22:34Z BW^-: ?
2014-12-09T04:22:50Z BW^-: offby1: i think that means that call/cc is more universal afterall and the overhead for implementing both may not be worth it!
2014-12-09T04:23:01Z BW^-: bc it implies overhead!
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2014-12-09T04:24:58Z offby1: No idear what you're on about, mate
2014-12-09T04:25:03Z BW^-: ah
2014-12-09T04:25:08Z BW^-: offby1: you don't do CPS transformations? :)
2014-12-09T04:25:14Z offby1: naw
2014-12-09T04:25:16Z BW^-: aha
2014-12-09T04:25:18Z BW^-: gotcha
2014-12-09T04:25:22Z BW^-: I think .. vanila said
2014-12-09T04:25:24Z BW^-: or riastradh
2014-12-09T04:25:25Z BW^-: anyhow
2014-12-09T04:25:28Z offby1: I've _heard_ of all that stuff, but it's academic; I don't use anything like that at work
2014-12-09T04:25:42Z BW^-: mhm
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2014-12-09T07:54:05Z taylanub: BW^-: call/cc cannot implement shift/reset.  shift/reset can implement call/cc by wrapping the whole body of a program in a (reset ...)
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2014-12-09T08:03:50Z ecraven: taylanub: I think another argument might be that call/cc-created continuations usually are delimited anyway, at REPL or module or some other boundary.
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2014-12-09T09:34:54Z taylanub: ecraven: I think that's a different way of saying what I said :)
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2014-12-09T09:35:38Z ecraven: taylanub: I don't think so, you are saying one can implement the other, I'm saying tha call/cc must be implemented a lot like shift/reset *anyway* :)
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2014-12-09T09:37:37Z ijp: http://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/undelimited.html#iter-recur is interesting if you've never read it
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2014-12-09T11:29:30Z gansteed: so is there  a good scheme interpreter for linux-64bit user? I just use it to run scheme program, and I use vim to edit it
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2014-12-09T11:34:19Z ecraven: gansteed: many :)
2014-12-09T11:36:56Z gansteed: ecraven: for instance?
2014-12-09T11:37:25Z gansteed: mit-scheme?
2014-12-09T11:38:07Z gansteed: just because there are too many interpreters, so I don't know which one is better for me?
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2014-12-09T11:43:46Z ecraven: gansteed: what do you want to do? a uni course? personal programming?
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2014-12-09T11:45:22Z ecraven: in no particular order: MIT/GNU Scheme, racket, gambit, chicken, guile, chibi, chez, gauche, kawa and many others :)
2014-12-09T11:46:22Z gansteed: well, I am a beginner in scheme, and I want to read SICP
2014-12-09T11:48:58Z ecraven: you might want to read this: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations
2014-12-09T11:48:59Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx
2014-12-09T11:49:19Z ecraven: this suggests racket, using its SICP mode
2014-12-09T11:50:10Z gansteed: thanks, buddy ;-)
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2014-12-09T11:51:45Z gansteed: I think I should try both mit-scheme and racket, and choose the "better one " for me
2014-12-09T11:52:43Z ecraven: gansteed: I can recommend MIT/GNU Scheme :) Be sure to try Edwin too, it's a very nice Scheme editor
2014-12-09T11:53:05Z ecraven: or if your inclinations go that way, Emacs+SLIME, probably the best way to program Scheme :)
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2014-12-09T11:54:59Z gansteed: ^_^,  I am not familiar with Emacs
2014-12-09T11:55:10Z ecraven: then racket might be the easier way
2014-12-09T11:55:33Z gansteed: yeah, just let me try ;-)
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2014-12-09T22:42:14Z mlaine: taking my first steps in scheme; (string->number (cadr (command-line)))
2014-12-09T22:43:46Z mlaine: is that how one should take a number given as a command-line argument?
2014-12-09T22:47:26Z turbofail: yeah that seems like a reasonable way to do it
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2014-12-09T22:50:51Z mlaine: turbofail: cheers
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2014-12-09T22:51:40Z mlaine: turbofail: http://sprunge.us/VZTe?scm
2014-12-09T22:52:07Z mlaine: any complaints?
2014-12-09T22:53:57Z mlaine: a simple sqrt calculator
2014-12-09T22:54:13Z mlaine: is there any style guide regarding indentation etc.?
2014-12-09T22:55:28Z turbofail: the style looks fine to me
2014-12-09T22:55:39Z turbofail: typically for indentation you just use whatever emacs does
2014-12-09T22:55:51Z mlaine: i use vim :)
2014-12-09T22:56:24Z turbofail: well i think vim copies the emacs indentation style
2014-12-09T22:56:38Z turbofail: most editors that have support for lisp do
2014-12-09T22:57:13Z offby1: turbofail: of course, you _would_ say that :)
2014-12-09T22:57:37Z mlaine: i'm rather surprised about the two-space indentation i get automatically
2014-12-09T22:58:08Z mlaine: not that i mind; it is enough imo
2014-12-09T22:58:54Z mlaine: i use two-space indentation e.g. in tex
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2014-12-09T23:00:05Z turbofail: there's riastradh's style guide, but for the most part it will probably match whatever your editor is already doing
2014-12-09T23:00:08Z turbofail: http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt
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2014-12-09T23:02:33Z mlaine: most of those seem quite obvious and in line with preferred styles of other langs
2014-12-09T23:02:53Z mlaine: have to get used to these parentheses though :)
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2014-12-09T23:10:22Z mlaine: anyway thanks for the help, i'm off to bed
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