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2014-11-23T00:33:38Z sheilong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144453 any help ?
2014-11-23T00:41:34Z xyh: sheilong: what help ?
2014-11-23T00:43:43Z sheilong: xyh:  I've found what I was doing wrong
2014-11-23T00:43:45Z sheilong: thanks anyway
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2014-11-23T07:38:41Z teleScope: why are the two functions return different values, even if i call them with the same parameters? what are the differences between them?
2014-11-23T07:38:46Z teleScope: http://paste.lisp.org/+33GR
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2014-11-23T13:43:18Z ManDay: Is anyone using guile?
2014-11-23T13:43:46Z ManDay: Or do the maintainers in Gentoo happen to be here and mind to explain why no one appears to care about guile not building at all?
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2014-11-23T14:22:37Z ManDay: Also, I'm a bit sceptical as to use a Scheme compiler whose programmers find it a good idea to bundle their own version of stdlib...
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2014-11-23T16:59:04Z ManDay: Can quote be used to construct   (list + * / -)   ?
2014-11-23T16:59:09Z ManDay: (without using list, that is)
2014-11-23T16:59:28Z Riastradh: To yield the same result as evaluating that, you mean?
2014-11-23T16:59:40Z Riastradh: QUOTE can't, but QUASIQUOTE can:  `(,+ ,* ,/ ,-)
2014-11-23T16:59:50Z ManDay: yes, that's what i meant
2014-11-23T16:59:58Z ManDay: Thanks
2014-11-23T17:00:04Z ManDay: I'm only learning this
2014-11-23T17:03:04Z pjb: Because + evaluates to the procedure bound to the symbol +, while '+ evaluates to the symbol +.
2014-11-23T17:03:28Z pjb: quasiquote is the same as list.
2014-11-23T17:03:44Z ManDay: like just an alias? totally equivalent?
2014-11-23T17:03:53Z pjb: Yes.
2014-11-23T17:04:08Z pjb: I wouldn't use quasiquote to build data.
2014-11-23T17:04:23Z LeoNerd: qq is for building interesting things by interpolating values into templates
2014-11-23T17:04:33Z LeoNerd: (much as it is in perl :) )
2014-11-23T17:04:45Z Riastradh: Um, no, not `totally equivalent'.
2014-11-23T17:04:53Z ManDay: LeoNerd: oh, you here
2014-11-23T17:04:55Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (list 1 2 3)
2014-11-23T17:04:55Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: '(1 2 3)
2014-11-23T17:04:57Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (quasiquote 1 2 3)
2014-11-23T17:04:57Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: eval:1:0: quasiquote: bad syntax <NEWLINE>   in: (quasiquote 1 2 3)
2014-11-23T17:05:05Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (quasiquote (1 2 3))
2014-11-23T17:05:05Z LeoNerd: ManDay: I'm always here :)
2014-11-23T17:05:05Z rudybot: Riastradh: ; Value: '(1 2 3)
2014-11-23T17:05:07Z Riastradh: rudybot: eval (list (1 2 3))
2014-11-23T17:05:07Z rudybot: Riastradh: error: application: not a procedure; <NEWLINE>  expected a procedure that can be applied to arguments <NEWLINE>   given: 1 <NEWLINE>   arguments...: <NEWLINE>    2 <NEWLINE>    3
2014-11-23T17:05:18Z ManDay: LeoNerd: Well, I'm new here :-p
2014-11-23T17:08:15Z ManDay: Riastradh: So one might say that in order to construct lists you'd really want cons or list. quote has that "additional meaning" of leaving everything as symbols?
2014-11-23T17:08:42Z pjb: ManDay: quote leaves everything as is.
2014-11-23T17:08:59Z pjb: (quote (a b (+ 1 2))) --> (a b (+ 1 2))
2014-11-23T17:09:05Z pjb: a list, not a symbol.
2014-11-23T17:09:14Z ManDay: hm
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2014-11-23T17:10:52Z ManDay: does quote mean that absolutely no "subsitution" in the object is performed? I.e. it wouldn't be possible to  make something like '(1 (+ 3 4))   evaluate to '(1 7) ?
2014-11-23T17:11:03Z pjb: Yes.
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2014-11-23T17:11:39Z LeoNerd: That's what qq is for
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2014-11-23T17:12:46Z LeoNerd: quasiquote of a list is equivalent to quote of a list -if- you don't unquote anything. But anything you do unquote acts as if you never quote'd it
2014-11-23T17:13:14Z LeoNerd: `(1 ,(+ 3 4))   becomes  '(1 7)
2014-11-23T17:13:25Z ManDay: ah, i get it
2014-11-23T17:13:29Z ManDay: that's why the comma was there
2014-11-23T17:13:51Z LeoNerd: It's effectively very similar to perl or shell's 'strings' vs "strings with $variables in"
2014-11-23T17:14:05Z ManDay: dunno perl ^^
2014-11-23T17:14:11Z ManDay: more of a php guy
2014-11-23T17:14:28Z LeoNerd: I suspect it may be similar
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2014-11-23T17:14:34Z pjb: `(1 ,(+ 3 4))is equivalent to (list 1 (+ 3 4)).
2014-11-23T17:14:40Z ManDay: nah. php is very simple-minded so to speak
2014-11-23T17:14:48Z ManDay: oh
2014-11-23T17:14:54Z ManDay: well, i should have read, yeah it's imilar
2014-11-23T17:15:12Z pjb: It's "not totally equivalent", because it can go deeper in the sexp, and it can incorporate literal parts:
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2014-11-23T17:15:54Z pjb: `(1 (hey ,(+ 2 3) a b c)) == (list 1 (cons 'hey (cons (+ 1 2) '(a b c))))
2014-11-23T17:16:24Z pjb: ManDay: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/
2014-11-23T17:16:57Z ManDay: pjb: heh, easy, i've just started. I'll read the standard all right, but only after I'm through with that book here
2014-11-23T17:17:02Z ManDay: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/start.html#./start:h0
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2014-11-23T17:24:44Z pnpuff: ManDay: sure, but it's also useful read estabilished code convenctions and stick to them in order to increase teh consistency of your code!
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2014-11-23T17:27:30Z pnpuff: *coding convenctions
2014-11-23T17:28:39Z ManDay: pnpuff: Have you read the tutorial I linked to? I think the author is very clear about this and introduces common conventions right from the start (like using ...! for sideeffects, ...? for predicates etc)
2014-11-23T17:28:43Z ManDay: I think it is a very good book
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2014-11-23T17:33:21Z ManDay: meh :-/ guile doesn't match parenthesis across lines
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2014-11-23T23:11:17Z ska-fan: Is this supposed to work? ((lambda (n) (>= 4 n)) 4)
2014-11-23T23:12:56Z sethalves: yes
2014-11-23T23:13:29Z ska-fan: Ok, then I'll fix my scheme :-)
2014-11-23T23:20:24Z oleo: tells you true or false ?
2014-11-23T23:20:34Z oleo: boolean
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2014-11-23T23:21:53Z Riastradh: Why wouldn't it work?
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2014-11-23T23:23:37Z ska-fan: Riastradh: because the lisp I'm writing is buggy
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2014-11-23T23:48:02Z Mike9863: I am trying to multiply a value returned from a function within a function, however scheme is telling me I'm providing the procedure as an argument, rather than what it returns. Ex: (* 2 (f1(f2 5)) where f1 and f2 are functions that return number values. How can I fix this?
2014-11-23T23:53:01Z ska-fan: Mike9863: How are f1 and f2 defined?
2014-11-23T23:53:08Z fizzie: I'm tempted to suggest balancing the parentheses first. (What you said is missing a ")", and if f1 and f2 really give numbers, there's nothing wrong with (* 2 (f1 (f2 5))).)
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