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2014-11-07T04:23:27Z vanila: Hi
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2014-11-07T04:46:00Z Riastradh: Boo!
2014-11-07T04:46:07Z vanila: Aaaaa
2014-11-07T04:46:56Z vanila: I wrote a pattern match compiler that builds trees of destructing and binding instructions
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2014-11-07T04:48:51Z Riastradh: To avoid redundant tests?
2014-11-07T04:49:07Z vanila: yeah
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2014-11-07T06:44:14Z sigjuice: Does scheme have the equivalent of Common Lisp's position function?
2014-11-07T06:47:06Z Impersonator:  list-index pred clist1 clist2 ... -> integer or false  in SRFI 1
2014-11-07T06:47:11Z Impersonator: would that work?
2014-11-07T06:47:14Z Impersonator: for you
2014-11-07T06:49:25Z sigjuice: yes. thanks!
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2014-11-07T06:54:07Z Impersonator: sorry, it seems list-index is equivalent to position-if
2014-11-07T06:54:12Z Impersonator: not position
2014-11-07T06:54:42Z Impersonator: but anyway I can't find anything better ^^"
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2014-11-07T08:30:08Z taylanub: (define (position obj lst =) (list-index (lambda (x) (= x obj)) lst))
2014-11-07T08:30:13Z taylanub: it even has a smiley in it =)
2014-11-07T08:30:31Z taylanub: you can make the = optional via case-lambda
2014-11-07T08:50:19Z Impersonator: probably not = but eq?
2014-11-07T08:50:57Z taylanub: Impersonator: = is a parameter.  and if you think of using eq? you usually probably want eqv?.
2014-11-07T08:52:05Z Impersonator: that eq? eqv? equal? difference always seemed somewhat redundant to me :|
2014-11-07T08:52:48Z Impersonator: but yes, eqv? is better
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2014-11-07T08:56:08Z taylanub: the differences are very important, and it's one of the reasons I love Scheme that it doesn't attempt to hide inherent complexity and overloads meaning into one type of equality...
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2014-11-07T08:56:55Z Impersonator: I agree that differences between eq? and equal? are very important, but eqv?.. :?
2014-11-07T08:57:00Z taylanub: basically, eqv? approximates "operational equivalence", i.e. when two objects are eqv? to each other then they are absolutely indistinguishable in the program.  a good example use case is memoization, where you cache the result of a function based on the exact arguments it was given in the eqv? sense
2014-11-07T08:57:15Z taylanub: for example two lists with the same contents aren't eqv? because mutating one will not mutate the other
2014-11-07T08:58:02Z Impersonator: if it's operationally indistinuishable than why do we need eq? in the first place
2014-11-07T08:58:22Z taylanub: Impersonator: eqv? is the normal one; eq? is the "abstraction breaker" hack for efficiency.  it's usually "pointer comparison," meaning that e.g. two very-large integers on the heap could be non-eq? to each other, even though they represent the exact same integer and are both immutable so 100% interchangable.
2014-11-07T08:58:49Z Impersonator: hm ok...
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2014-11-07T08:59:29Z Impersonator: gotta think about this more
2014-11-07T08:59:36Z taylanub: eq? is redundant in a strict sense, but a good compiler can turn it into a very cheap operation, so if you e.g. only ever compare mutable objects and not numbers or characters, then you can use eq? and possibly get a tiny speed boost
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2014-11-07T16:34:13Z MadProcessor: I want to read in a sexp file containing lists and vectors. But these must be extended with some runtime info while reading. Is there a way to do so, without the cost of first reading the file, and then creating new, distinct lists from that ?
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2014-11-07T16:53:31Z xyh: ``runtime info'' such as "#!..." ?
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2014-11-07T16:55:07Z MadProcessor: No, but i.e. inserting the PWD into the lists
2014-11-07T16:58:24Z xyh: the PWD of your sexp file? or the PWD of the running REPL?
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2014-11-07T16:59:58Z MadProcessor: this doesn't matter. Its about informations which are only accessible while the program is running, and not while the files im reading are created.
2014-11-07T17:00:55Z tsuyoshi: MadProcessor: sure, just write an sexp parser
2014-11-07T17:02:06Z xyh: MadProcessor: some code examples?
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2014-11-07T20:21:25Z vanila: What should I do to create a macro based on a lisp function?
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2014-11-07T20:21:34Z vanila: it'sabit complex to do with syntax-rules
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2014-11-07T20:29:07Z cdsb: How can I enter edwin to run in my console?
2014-11-07T20:29:59Z cdsb: I've tried starting edwin with create-editor, but create-editor-args don't seem to be defined
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2014-11-07T20:39:35Z ecraven: cdsb: mit-scheme -edit
2014-11-07T20:40:01Z ecraven: if you want the console version, make sure DISPLAY isn't set (DISPLAY= mit-scheme -edit, for example)
2014-11-07T20:40:47Z stamourv: vanila: ISTR seeing a scheme -> syntax-rules compiler on Oleg's web page.
2014-11-07T20:41:08Z stamourv: vanila: But, really, you should use procedural macros. syntax-rules doesn't scale.
2014-11-07T20:41:36Z stamourv: vanila: I recommend syntax object-based systems, and syntax-parse as your pattern matcher of choice.
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2014-11-07T20:46:25Z cdsb: ecraven, thanks
2014-11-07T20:46:59Z ecraven: cdsb: if you don't mind my asking, are you using edwin in some kind of educational context, or otherwise?
2014-11-07T20:47:28Z ecraven: people haven't asked any questions about it for years, but recently there has been more interest :)
2014-11-07T20:56:34Z cdsb: ecraven, I was working through SICP on my own time, and the editor peaked my interest. I've been trying to understand the source
2014-11-07T20:56:44Z ecraven: cdsb: great :)
2014-11-07T20:58:25Z cdsb: Is it necessary to recompile, when only changes are made to .scm files?
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2014-11-07T21:11:31Z ecraven: cdsb: that depends on which .scm file. in general, probably yes
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