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2014-11-01T13:34:04Z taylanub: sethalves: neat, I'll look into those some time, though from a quick glance it seems they're not implemented very well, like some are simply incomplete, some only for Chibi and Sagittarius, and e.g. SRFI-14 uses the Latin1-only reference implementation which I don't think is OK for today's standards...
2014-11-01T13:35:49Z taylanub: does anyone know why list->vector here is marked as 'R5RS+'?  I don't see it adding anything to the R5RS list->vector.  http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-43/srfi-43.html#list-to-vector
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2014-11-01T13:50:35Z taylanub: ah, the specification is just incomplete; it actually takes a start/end
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2014-11-01T14:47:56Z sethalves: taylanub -- they are generally the reference implementations
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2014-11-01T14:51:24Z sethalves: oh nice you got srfi-13 to work.  i had terrible time with that
2014-11-01T14:51:55Z Riastradh: wingo?
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2014-11-01T14:52:04Z wingo: Riastradh: ahoy
2014-11-01T14:52:38Z taylanub: sethalves: SRFI-13 requires 14 which I don't have and which is difficult :(
2014-11-01T14:54:25Z taylanub: sethalves: and the `char-cased?' and `char-titlecase' procedures specified in it are fundamentally broken if I got it right -- it requires context to tell whether a character is cased in a certain position in text, but `char-cased?' takes a mere character; and titlecasing a single character may result in a multi-character sequence whereas `char-titlecase' returns a single character.
2014-11-01T14:55:52Z sethalves: i suppose this is why alex hasn't put srfi-13 or 14 in chibi
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2014-11-01T15:25:02Z Riastradh: wingo: Guile 2.0.11 fails to build on NetBSD.  Can you help debug?
2014-11-01T15:25:31Z wingo: sure.  -> #guile ? istr the topic was brought up there recently and there might be folks that know
2014-11-01T15:26:02Z Riastradh: Ah, did Thomas Klausner already talk with you about it?
2014-11-01T15:27:22Z wingo: not with me but istr mark_weaver was talking with someone about building on a bsd
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2014-11-01T15:38:03Z jayb: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144246 -> What should I put for the second argument for the second if?
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2014-11-01T15:40:29Z jayb: <jayb> http://paste.lisp.org/display/144246 -> What should I put for the second argument for the second if?
2014-11-01T15:41:31Z jayb: #nothaskell
2014-11-01T15:44:20Z jayb: Nvm. Solved it. Thank you for your time
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2014-11-01T17:15:44Z beepbeep_: I'm reading The Little Schemer and there is something about scheme syntax that I do not understand. https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/62a3ed7f04b8aba8b74a#file-gistfile1-rkt-L4-L5
2014-11-01T17:15:44Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/l37nh3g
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2014-11-01T17:16:06Z beepbeep_: what exactly do line 4 and 5 do?
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2014-11-01T17:16:25Z beepbeep_: well, line 5 is pretty straightforward
2014-11-01T17:16:31Z beepbeep_: it's mostly line 4 that I don't understand
2014-11-01T17:16:48Z Riastradh: Would it be clearer if (zero? n) were replaced by (if (zero? n) #t #f)?
2014-11-01T17:17:33Z beepbeep_: Riastradh, no not really
2014-11-01T17:17:41Z beepbeep_: it's line 4 that I don't understand
2014-11-01T17:17:48Z Riastradh: I mean (zero? n) on line 4.
2014-11-01T17:18:00Z ptcek: beepbeep_: line 5 should not be clear if you do not understand line 4
2014-11-01T17:18:32Z beepbeep_: ptcek, Riastradh, I interprete line 4 as (and (zero? m) (zero? n))
2014-11-01T17:18:33Z Riastradh: Perhaps you can explain what you think line 5 is doing, and then say what difference in line 4 is tripping you up?
2014-11-01T17:18:35Z beepbeep_: is that correct,
2014-11-01T17:18:40Z Riastradh: No.
2014-11-01T17:18:51Z Riastradh: (COND (a b) (c d) (ELSE e)) means: if a is true, then return b; otherwise, if c is true, then return d; otherwise, return e.
2014-11-01T17:19:17Z beepbeep_: ohhh, cool, totally understand
2014-11-01T17:19:23Z beepbeep_: totally makes sense
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2014-11-01T17:19:37Z beepbeep_: the book doesn't really completely explain cond
2014-11-01T17:19:50Z beepbeep_: but ofcourse, oh damn how could I not see that
2014-11-01T17:19:51Z beepbeep_: :D
2014-11-01T17:20:00Z ptcek: beepbeep_: I think it does in its own way :)
2014-11-01T17:20:01Z beepbeep_: thx!
2014-11-01T17:21:26Z beepbeep_: So many people in this channel. Are most people here writing production programs in Scheme?
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2014-11-01T18:12:43Z jae__: Hi. If I want to create a function that checks whether or not an element is in the list, would I use 1 or 2 base cases? (cond ((and (= (length l) 1) (= n (car l))) #t) ((null? l) #f))
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2014-11-01T18:18:12Z xyh: jae__: if something is a list but not null, then you can tell that ``an element is in the list''
2014-11-01T18:18:44Z xyh: jae__: no length is needed to write this function
2014-11-01T18:18:57Z jae__: Oh in that case, I would lonly have 1 base case - when the list has 1 element and that element is n?
2014-11-01T18:19:01Z jae__: * only
2014-11-01T18:20:56Z xyh: n ? another global variable ?
2014-11-01T18:21:29Z xyh: jae__: what is n ?
2014-11-01T18:21:46Z jae__: (define (isinl n l))
2014-11-01T18:22:03Z jae__: l = list. n = element you're checking for.
2014-11-01T18:22:18Z xyh: oh!
2014-11-01T18:22:45Z jae__: Sorry for not stating that earlier
2014-11-01T18:22:52Z ijp: jae__: I'd only have a basecase for null?, rather than special casing length 1
2014-11-01T18:23:15Z ijp: that behaviour comes out "for free" from the other two cases you need to write
2014-11-01T18:23:43Z ptcek: jae__: check for null?, compare for equality and then return #t or recur
2014-11-01T18:23:55Z jae__: Im actually writing another function, with this function as a helper. I am not sure if this is the correct/best approach
2014-11-01T18:24:04Z ijp: (and you don't want to compute the length every time around the list anyway)
2014-11-01T18:24:45Z ptcek: ... as (length l) is O(n) and (null? l) is O(1)
2014-11-01T18:25:10Z jae__: I cant explain the problem, but I will give an example: The list (1 2 3 4 5) is given. The element 3 is given. The function takes the first 3 out of the list
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2014-11-01T18:25:54Z xyh: jae__: (define member? (lambda (x l) (cond ((null? l) #f) ((eq? (car l) x) #t) (else (member? x (cdr l))))))
2014-11-01T18:26:06Z xyh: jae__: from the little schemer :)
2014-11-01T18:26:18Z jae__: Sorry Im not familiar with lambda. I know it is an important part of scheme.
2014-11-01T18:26:57Z ptcek: jae__: I would just go through the list and accumulate, do not use member and slice it using indexes
2014-11-01T18:27:12Z xyh: jae__: (define  (member? x l) (cond ((null? l) #f) ((eq? (car l) x) #t) (else (member? x (cdr l)))))
2014-11-01T18:27:19Z ptcek: jae__: s/accumulate/cons
2014-11-01T18:27:20Z ijp: jae__: (define (foo bar ...) baz ...) = (define foo (lambda (bar ...) baz ...))
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2014-11-01T18:28:04Z jae__: Alright thanks
2014-11-01T18:28:09Z xyh: jae__: :)
2014-11-01T18:28:36Z xyh: jae__: and please do not use isinl to name your function :P
2014-11-01T18:29:01Z jae__: Alright. Usually I stick with short variable names and function anmes
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2014-11-01T18:29:14Z jae__: * names. So (define (f x) ...)
2014-11-01T18:29:33Z xyh: jae__: that is not cool IMHO
2014-11-01T18:30:03Z jae__: I know XD. I might get confused. But Im too lazy to type 2-3 extra characters :D
2014-11-01T18:30:23Z xyh: I hate short variable names personally :P
2014-11-01T18:30:58Z xyh: jae__: you should use a better text-editor (emacs) then
2014-11-01T18:31:48Z jae__: Well, Im off to write my code :D
2014-11-01T18:31:59Z xyh: jae__:  bye
2014-11-01T18:32:23Z jae__: Tbh, I dont want to learn scheme. Im more interested in C/C++, but I dont think its a good idea to learn two languages at once.
2014-11-01T18:32:44Z jae__ is forced to learn Scheme because of school.
2014-11-01T18:33:22Z xyh: jae__: I love scheme and hate C & C++, I am forced to learn C & C++ because of school
2014-11-01T18:34:15Z xyh: jae__: and I ll hate you too, if you hate scheme :P
2014-11-01T18:34:52Z xyh is just joking
2014-11-01T18:35:00Z jae__: Actually, hate is a strong word. I dont "hate" scheme, but I dont like it right now because it's preventing me from learning C++
2014-11-01T18:35:30Z xyh: I hate C & C++ as strong as the word is
2014-11-01T18:36:15Z jae__: But imo, scheme is much more logical/easier to understand than C++
2014-11-01T18:46:44Z LeoNerd: Scheme is lovely
2014-11-01T18:50:58Z offby1: dark and deep
2014-11-01T18:51:03Z offby1: but you have promises to keep
2014-11-01T18:51:09Z offby1: and miles to go before you sleep
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2014-11-01T19:00:27Z xyh: if when teaching scheme, a teacher is able to make his/her student ``dont want to learn scheme. but more interested in C/C++''. I'd rather that teacher never teach scheme ...
2014-11-01T19:02:45Z xyh: jae__: tell your teacher I said that, I can give you my address to let your teacher murder me :)
2014-11-01T19:04:47Z offby1: C/C++ is arguably useful in the workplace; scheme pretty much isn't.
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2014-11-01T19:07:07Z jae__: xyh, he's an awesome teacher. Its my fault that I dont pay attention and end up having difficulties coding :D
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2014-11-01T19:13:53Z ptcek: Is there some modelling language for LP/MILP (linear programming / mixed integer LP) in scheme that can output .mps/.lp files or talk directly to solvers (OSI, CLP, CBC, GLPK)?
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2014-11-01T20:37:43Z Black0range: Hey guys, what scheme would you say is the best developen one for general development?
2014-11-01T20:37:52Z Black0range: developed*
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2014-11-01T22:23:30Z FreeRadicals: Hi everyone, I need help on this. I got a funtion p->lambda who returns a list (for example : '(∨ #f #t)) but I need to evaluate the expression in the list so that I got this (∨ #f #t) without the " ' " so Scheme evaluate it. Can you help?
2014-11-01T22:24:40Z FreeRadicals: How to evaluate the expression in a list?
2014-11-01T22:25:51Z ijp: if you insist on evaluating arbitrary code you can use eval
2014-11-01T22:25:54Z evhan: rudybot: (eval '(+ 1 1))
2014-11-01T22:25:54Z rudybot: evhan: your sandbox is ready
2014-11-01T22:25:54Z rudybot: evhan: ; Value: 2
2014-11-01T22:26:36Z ijp: but there is almost always a better way of writing your code than using eval
2014-11-01T22:29:21Z FreeRadicals: the code is pretty long.
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2014-11-01T22:30:49Z FreeRadical: because I heard about it and I had to put list after
2014-11-01T22:31:59Z FreeRadical: ok it works
2014-11-01T22:31:59Z FreeRadical: thx
2014-11-01T22:32:04Z FreeRadical: thx a lot
2014-11-01T22:32:31Z FreeRadical: ijp & evhan : thx
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2014-11-01T22:39:09Z FreeRadical: evhan : can we put eval in a function? So instead of putting eval each time before we call another function that make it for us and call my basic function to get the result?
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2014-11-01T22:42:13Z evhan: FreeRadical: I don't really understand what you're asking. You should probably pastebin an example so people have an idea of what you're getting at.
2014-11-01T22:42:33Z FreeRadical: k 2 sec
2014-11-01T22:45:30Z FreeRadical: https://bpaste.net/show/b3196030a5be
2014-11-01T22:47:03Z FreeRadical: https://bpaste.net/show/11a655ff4377
2014-11-01T22:48:03Z FreeRadical: ok
2014-11-01T22:49:40Z FreeRadical: here's the solution : https://bpaste.net/show/3ba517951a57. This one works fine. Thank you. I put the answer for anyone who could be interested
2014-11-01T22:57:02Z FreeRadical: evhan: thank you for your time
2014-11-01T22:57:09Z FreeRadical: bye
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