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2014-10-02T05:06:08Z STxAxTIC: hi all
2014-10-02T05:06:40Z zacts: turbofail: I'm hoping to get chibi-scheme ported to minix
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2014-10-02T05:07:53Z zacts: I've been to busy to do it, but I did get it to build and run
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2014-10-02T07:40:38Z lrs: http://pastebin.com/a1mZCYtP
2014-10-02T07:40:44Z lrs: Can someone explain to me what map does here?
2014-10-02T07:42:18Z kvda: it applies the function deep-reverse to list "l"
2014-10-02T07:42:30Z lrs: What does map do
2014-10-02T07:43:06Z kvda: map applies a given function to all the elements in a list
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2014-10-02T07:44:40Z kvda: you get another list back
2014-10-02T07:44:43Z kvda: you're welcome
2014-10-02T07:46:02Z lrs: kvda, And what is deep-reverse defined as
2014-10-02T07:46:09Z lrs: :_:
2014-10-02T07:46:16Z kvda: homework?
2014-10-02T07:46:19Z lrs: Yes
2014-10-02T07:46:20Z lrs: -_-
2014-10-02T07:46:33Z kvda: you really need to know what map is
2014-10-02T07:46:42Z lrs: I get that
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2014-10-02T07:46:55Z kvda: so you have done anything on lists
2014-10-02T07:47:02Z lrs: I just dont get how it can apply the deifnition of deep-reverse if deep-reverse is being defined in the body
2014-10-02T07:47:05Z lrs: :|
2014-10-02T07:47:13Z kvda: do you have any idea a what a deep reverse might do?
2014-10-02T07:47:27Z lrs: First its gonna reverse
2014-10-02T07:47:33Z lrs: Then its gonna reverse that too
2014-10-02T07:47:43Z kvda: but what does deep imply?
2014-10-02T07:47:52Z lrs: A complex procedure?
2014-10-02T07:47:58Z lrs: Deeper down in the tree
2014-10-02T07:47:59Z kvda: no
2014-10-02T07:48:18Z kvda: it suggets that the list is deep, ie contains other lists.
2014-10-02T07:48:30Z lrs: Yes
2014-10-02T07:48:42Z kvda: a regular 'reverse' will not reverse the sub lists, where a deep-reverse will
2014-10-02T07:48:55Z lrs: Right
2014-10-02T07:50:01Z lrs: kvda,
2014-10-02T07:51:47Z kvda: yessss?
2014-10-02T07:52:01Z lrs: deep-reverse: Heres what I get
2014-10-02T07:52:38Z lrs: (define (deep-revere lst)) = creates a function (deep-reverse ( (insert list here)))
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2014-10-02T07:53:11Z lrs: (if (list? l)) <- Checks if its a list, if it is it starts this ;
2014-10-02T07:53:23Z lrs: (reverse (map deep-reverse l))l)
2014-10-02T07:53:27Z lrs: And it says
2014-10-02T07:53:41Z lrs: reverse (some procedure) on l
2014-10-02T07:53:43Z lrs: And then
2014-10-02T07:53:54Z lrs: (some procedure) = map deep-reverse l
2014-10-02T07:54:10Z lrs: map says that it takes the procedure that deep-reverse i defined as
2014-10-02T07:54:12Z kvda: did you write this, or was this given as an example?
2014-10-02T07:54:25Z lrs: and apply this on l
2014-10-02T07:54:55Z lrs: But I dont get this (simple) thing, how can I apply something that isnt defined, or that is defined by the same thing that i am doing
2014-10-02T07:55:07Z kvda: welcome to recursion
2014-10-02T07:55:14Z lrs: Right
2014-10-02T07:55:18Z kvda: that's what this excersise is probably trying to teach you
2014-10-02T07:55:19Z lrs: And I dont get it
2014-10-02T07:55:28Z lrs: Ive been trying to get this for 2 weeks
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2014-10-02T07:55:34Z lrs: And I dont fucking get it
2014-10-02T07:56:17Z lrs: I almost had it when there was some analogue that when ytou do cdr and it counts down to null, if you do a recursion it checks the cdr part o the list until its null or something. Bah.
2014-10-02T07:56:39Z lrs: But I dont get it in this problem
2014-10-02T07:56:40Z kvda: well wait, are you following a course?
2014-10-02T07:56:57Z lrs: Because what exactly is it that map is pushing on l? And is htat the last stuff its doing.
2014-10-02T07:56:59Z kvda: do you have a text book that you'r following?
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2014-10-02T07:57:14Z lrs: Not really
2014-10-02T07:57:22Z lrs: We have SICP
2014-10-02T07:57:22Z kvda: anyway
2014-10-02T07:57:30Z kvda: right
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2014-10-02T08:06:41Z lrs: kvda, But Im right
2014-10-02T08:06:44Z lrs: In what I said?
2014-10-02T08:07:01Z lrs: Its just htat I dont really understand the loop thing. :/
2014-10-02T08:08:19Z lrs: kvda, Does it do reverse two time?
2014-10-02T08:08:30Z kvda: yes
2014-10-02T08:08:35Z kvda: sorry one sec
2014-10-02T08:09:48Z lrs: But how and where is the second one? If you look at it in a terminal
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2014-10-02T10:46:00Z lrs: How do i get those trace-arrow things in dr racket
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2014-10-02T11:48:20Z lrs: What does pred stand for
2014-10-02T11:49:02Z LeoNerd: In what context? Where?
2014-10-02T11:49:24Z lrs: http://pastebin.com/cVcLvffs
2014-10-02T11:49:31Z LeoNerd: It might be predecessor, the opposite of successor, succ.   (eqv? x (pred (succ x)))  likely being true for most x, for example
2014-10-02T11:49:47Z LeoNerd: Oh.. predicate, most likely
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2014-10-02T11:49:57Z lrs: Whats a predicate in this context
2014-10-02T11:50:31Z LeoNerd: A function that takes an argument and returns a boolean to indicate some property that argument does or doesn't have
2014-10-02T11:50:38Z LeoNerd: For example  zero?  or  even?  or  string?
2014-10-02T11:50:55Z LeoNerd: Generally: those functions likely to have a '?' at the end of their name
2014-10-02T11:51:21Z lrs: So pred is a funciton that is #t or #f
2014-10-02T11:51:21Z lrs: wtf
2014-10-02T11:51:26Z lrs: How is that possible
2014-10-02T11:51:46Z LeoNerd: Hrm?
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2014-10-02T12:06:59Z taylanub: lrs: you know how in maths you can define a function's result "conditionally" like http://sprunge.us/ONIQ ?  'cond' is just like that, though the conditions come before the results:  http://sprunge.us/iYFL
2014-10-02T12:07:59Z pjb: lrs: why are you surprised by the notion of a function into {#t,#f} ?
2014-10-02T12:08:52Z pjb: Is that the elements of the image set that bother your, or the size of the image set?
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2014-10-02T12:54:30Z lrs: Hmmmm
2014-10-02T12:54:36Z lrs: pjb, and everyone else
2014-10-02T12:54:39Z lrs: Another question
2014-10-02T12:54:41Z lrs: http://pastebin.com/RhLw8ELn
2014-10-02T12:54:51Z lrs: What does the else thing do here?
2014-10-02T12:54:56Z lrs: From what i understand
2014-10-02T12:55:09Z Riastradh: No different from writing #t there.  Just some syntactic sugar to make it look prettier.
2014-10-02T12:55:10Z lrs: The point is that when it goes through the list
2014-10-02T12:55:47Z lrs: And when (car lst) is bigger then the recursive function ( that goes throught the whole list?) it will stop
2014-10-02T12:55:48Z lrs: Right?
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2014-10-02T13:05:22Z pjb: lrs: I will refrain from answering your questions, since you don't answer mine.
2014-10-02T13:05:45Z lrs: pjb : Well
2014-10-02T13:05:51Z lrs: I see a function a f(x)
2014-10-02T13:05:53Z lrs: :S
2014-10-02T13:13:09Z pjdelport: lrs: Do you still have those links i gave you yesterday?
2014-10-02T13:13:17Z pjdelport: Read them... they explain all of this.
2014-10-02T13:14:37Z pjdelport: lrs: Try going through at least the first few parts of http://htdp.org/2003-09-26/Book/curriculum-Z-H-1.html#node_toc_node_part_I
2014-10-02T13:15:01Z pjdelport: And then ask questions about any bits that are confusing.
2014-10-02T13:15:23Z lrs: I wrote a message to my teacher about it
2014-10-02T13:15:27Z lrs: And asked him if I should read it
2014-10-02T13:15:28Z lrs: lol
2014-10-02T13:15:28Z pjdelport: I'm afraid that you're not going to learn anything the way you are approaching things now.
2014-10-02T13:16:03Z lrs: I dunno... Its the only way I can learn shit. I got ADHD
2014-10-02T13:16:18Z lrs: I can read 4 paragraphs of that book then I get something else in my head
2014-10-02T13:16:48Z pjdelport: You have to find a way of focusing on it.
2014-10-02T13:17:13Z pjdelport: At the moment, you're not making any progress: you keep asking the same questions, getting the same suggestions, and nothing is sticking. :/
2014-10-02T13:17:31Z pjdelport: You have to find a way to solve this problem, somehow.
2014-10-02T13:17:38Z lrs: Yeah, theres one way
2014-10-02T13:17:53Z lrs: If my god damn therapist could give me my fucking concerta/rital
2014-10-02T13:17:56Z lrs: ritalin
2014-10-02T13:18:23Z pjdelport: That might help.
2014-10-02T13:22:11Z lrs: pjdelport, Basically its like this
2014-10-02T13:22:20Z lrs: When I open a book I want to find the stuff I am curious about
2014-10-02T13:22:26Z lrs: But I always have to read a whole god damn chapter to get it
2014-10-02T13:22:47Z lrs: I just want to have like a dictionary with longer paragraphs and pictures. Heh.
2014-10-02T13:23:28Z pjdelport: lrs: You have to read the whole chapter, because everything builds on what comes before.
2014-10-02T13:23:38Z pjdelport: You *cannot* avoid skipping the fundamentals.
2014-10-02T13:23:49Z LeoNerd: lrs: I find it massively helps to have an -interest-, a reason why for learning something
2014-10-02T13:24:08Z pjdelport: That's why it seems you keep being confused about things that should have been covered already.
2014-10-02T13:24:09Z LeoNerd: I can't skim-read huge monolithic paragraphs at first either. I sortof read them over and get a -vague- feeling in my mind for the kidns of things that might be possible
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2014-10-02T13:24:34Z LeoNerd: Later, I go and think about something I actually want to make. Then I start to remember vague memories of the kinds of things that might help me make it, and where they were
2014-10-02T13:24:56Z LeoNerd: That way, I feel a vested interest that somehow keeps me more focused at reading it the second time, because I really feel I have something to gain by reading it properly a second time
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2014-10-02T13:26:52Z pjdelport: Yeah; repeated skimming is a good strategy.
2014-10-02T13:27:11Z pjdelport: Adding depth each time, until it all makes sense together.
2014-10-02T13:27:51Z LeoNerd: I find the first time I read something I won't actually remember the details, but I'll remember the vague category areas where everything is. That lets me find it again the second time when I actually want it
2014-10-02T13:28:23Z LeoNerd: There's too much information in the world to actually learn it all; but if you at least know where to find the information you want you'll be doing very well. A mental index
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2014-10-02T14:13:43Z STxAxTIC: LeoNerd speaks truth.
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2014-10-02T14:22:13Z lrs: <LeoNerd> lrs: I find it massively helps to have an -interest-, a reason why for learning something < Congratulations, you have ADHD
2014-10-02T14:22:36Z LeoNerd: Most likely
2014-10-02T14:22:44Z LeoNerd: I try not to use it as an excuse, a disability
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2014-10-02T14:23:21Z lrs: For me its both a blessing and a curse
2014-10-02T14:24:30Z lrs: If I get into the flow-state and its something that interests me and the difficulty level matches the skill level I can do it until 5 am in hte morning
2014-10-02T14:25:25Z lrs: Otherwise I will just sit and shake my feet for 10 hour
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2014-10-02T14:30:08Z LeoNerd: Yah
2014-10-02T14:30:11Z LeoNerd: Sounds familiar
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2014-10-02T14:44:41Z lrs: LeoNerd, So how would you do the index of scheme
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2014-10-02T20:26:34Z turbofail: i highly doubt it
2014-10-02T20:26:57Z turbofail: i don't think that's possible for terminal input
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