2014-09-25T00:06:00Z zacts joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:06:05Z zacts quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T00:06:05Z zacts joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:06:56Z klltkr quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2014-09-25T00:10:25Z amgarchIn9 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:20:40Z common-lisper joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:29:17Z mel-gibson quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:32:36Z endthefed joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:32:51Z common-lisper quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T00:33:37Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:35:36Z endthefed is now known as apple-obsolete 2014-09-25T00:35:36Z apple-obsolete is now known as ban-apple 2014-09-25T00:35:56Z ban-apple: scheme!!! for those who know that java and node are for fools! 2014-09-25T00:36:00Z ban-apple is now known as icewm-wins 2014-09-25T00:40:17Z icewm-wins quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:40:41Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:41:17Z endthefed joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:42:28Z ivan\_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:45:44Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:46:58Z common-lisper joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:48:20Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:49:52Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:49:52Z jeapostrophe quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T00:49:52Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:50:37Z yacks quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T00:51:57Z ivan\ quit (*.net *.split) 2014-09-25T00:51:57Z ivan\_ is now known as ivan\ 2014-09-25T00:52:51Z yacks joined #scheme 2014-09-25T00:59:19Z endthefed quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T01:06:43Z endthefed joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:10:17Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2014-09-25T01:11:31Z c107 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:15:20Z samth: pjdelport: I'll wait till he actually does something 2014-09-25T01:15:37Z pjdelport: samth: Thanks. :) 2014-09-25T01:15:47Z Mso150 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:17:26Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2014-09-25T01:19:25Z zlrth joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:40:04Z aking joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:47:42Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T01:48:57Z tobik quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T01:49:55Z tobik joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:51:08Z zlrth quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T01:54:05Z Mso150 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T01:57:22Z offby1 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T01:59:20Z offby1 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T01:59:29Z common-lisper quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T02:00:30Z offby1 quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T02:00:30Z offby1 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:05:43Z ryan__ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:06:21Z ryan__: how does one use list-ref with a double/float as an index? alternatively, how do you convert a double/float to an integer? 2014-09-25T02:08:26Z gnomon: ryan__, you could start with INEXACT->EXACT, which sounds like it should do roughly what you're after. 2014-09-25T02:10:06Z ryan__: that's perfect, thanks! 2014-09-25T02:11:39Z ryan__ quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T02:12:36Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T02:18:22Z kobain quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 2014-09-25T02:21:42Z gnomon: ryan__, you're welcome. 2014-09-25T02:23:12Z b4283 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:25:47Z common-lisper joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:35:06Z endthefed is now known as ghoul-lord 2014-09-25T02:42:03Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:47:13Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T02:54:42Z kobain joined #scheme 2014-09-25T02:59:05Z common-lisper quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T03:03:23Z yacks quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T03:07:00Z Fare joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:09:53Z yacks joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:17:40Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:31:00Z yacks quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T03:31:26Z yacks joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:34:36Z bit` quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-09-25T03:39:58Z kilimanjaro joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:42:45Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:46:21Z pjb` is now known as pjb 2014-09-25T03:47:17Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T03:47:52Z zhaoym quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T03:50:07Z foof joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:50:47Z bit` joined #scheme 2014-09-25T03:50:48Z foof: anyone running a web server with cgi shut it down now 2014-09-25T03:51:12Z foof: turn off wifi on your phone while roaming 2014-09-25T03:51:33Z foof: the bash bug is horrific 2014-09-25T04:07:09Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:08:11Z kvda joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:10:15Z kvda quit (Client Quit) 2014-09-25T04:10:42Z kvda joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:27:10Z Kabaka quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T04:31:56Z Kabaka joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:34:41Z ghoul-lord: huh? 2014-09-25T04:37:30Z foof: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/649 2014-09-25T04:39:56Z cataska quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T04:43:31Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:44:21Z sheilong joined #scheme 2014-09-25T04:49:04Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T04:56:27Z oleo__ quit (Quit: Verlassend) 2014-09-25T05:02:32Z cataska joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:04:13Z ghoul-lord: vot repub 2014-09-25T05:04:17Z ghoul-lord: I do 2014-09-25T05:04:35Z ghoul-lord quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T05:07:00Z ss0x53 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:08:32Z c107 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T05:09:22Z Fare quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T05:23:00Z kazimir42 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T05:38:34Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:39:36Z MichaelRaskin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:44:16Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:45:55Z travula joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:48:22Z masm joined #scheme 2014-09-25T05:49:02Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T05:55:16Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T06:01:46Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:03:15Z Gyps quit (Quit: Gyps) 2014-09-25T06:04:31Z bjz joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:10:43Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:10:43Z jeapostrophe quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T06:10:43Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:11:08Z kobain quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 2014-09-25T06:15:14Z turbofail: huh. a drive-by gavino 2014-09-25T06:16:39Z jusss is now known as X0X0 2014-09-25T06:18:04Z kvda: has anyone figured the story with gavino? what's his deal? 2014-09-25T06:20:06Z turbofail: nope. he's a mystery 2014-09-25T06:22:46Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:25:10Z bjz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T06:25:16Z bjz_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:28:15Z pjb: A misery. 2014-09-25T06:29:08Z kvda: schizophrenic behaviour 2014-09-25T06:30:01Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:31:40Z Soft quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:32:24Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:34:01Z foof quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T06:43:36Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:44:16Z sheilong quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:45:08Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:46:27Z Soft joined #scheme 2014-09-25T06:50:21Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T06:50:42Z X0X0 is now known as blablabla 2014-09-25T06:57:48Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T07:03:07Z cmatei joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:04:20Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:11:21Z vanila joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:12:15Z ventonegro joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:13:05Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T07:19:00Z ilammy joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:22:01Z Linkrules_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:25:26Z ss0x53 quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T07:26:16Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:30:56Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T07:41:56Z carc joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:43:35Z Mso150 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:43:40Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2014-09-25T07:45:47Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:48:01Z civodul joined #scheme 2014-09-25T07:50:09Z carc quit (Quit: QUIT) 2014-09-25T07:50:22Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T07:50:53Z carc joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:06:25Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:10:02Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T08:10:51Z DGASAU joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:15:32Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:20:42Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:27:01Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:28:29Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T08:31:08Z wilfredh joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:31:32Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:33:39Z wingo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:35:18Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:36:02Z stepnem joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:40:46Z blablabla is now known as OOXX 2014-09-25T08:43:33Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:43:59Z kvda quit (Quit: x___x) 2014-09-25T08:45:37Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:46:24Z work_op quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T08:46:39Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:46:44Z oldskirt quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T08:46:44Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:48:23Z Mso150 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:48:57Z Linkrules__ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:48:58Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:49:18Z lrs joined #scheme 2014-09-25T08:50:54Z lrs: http://pastebin.com/tV8QszTm Whats the difference between cons and list? 2014-09-25T08:50:57Z lrs: In this problem? 2014-09-25T08:51:29Z vanila: A list is built out of conses, (list 1 2 3) = (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 '()))) 2014-09-25T08:51:40Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:52:00Z Linkrules_ quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-09-25T08:52:55Z OOXX is now known as jusss 2014-09-25T09:08:24Z cataska quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T09:19:50Z lrs: vanila, So cons will just create a pair where (cons 1 2 3(cons 4 5 6) 2014-09-25T09:19:52Z lrs: Or something 2014-09-25T09:20:50Z vanila: cons creates a pair 2014-09-25T09:21:10Z vanila: given (define x (list 1 2 3)) 2014-09-25T09:21:10Z vanila: (define y (list 4 5 6)) 2014-09-25T09:21:33Z vanila: (cons x y) will create ((1 2 3) . (4 5 6)) 2014-09-25T09:21:42Z vanila: which is the same as ((1 2 3) 4 5 6) 2014-09-25T09:22:36Z lrs: And list will create ((1 2 3) . (4 5 6)) ??? 2014-09-25T09:23:09Z vanila: (list x y) creates a list with two elments 2014-09-25T09:23:18Z vanila: ((1 2 3) (4 5 6)) 2014-09-25T09:23:32Z vanila: whic is the same as ((1 2 3) . ((4 5 6) . ())) 2014-09-25T09:23:55Z lrs: I also wondering how it looks like, blockwise like in this http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-15.html 2014-09-25T09:24:03Z lrs: vanila, Ah 2014-09-25T09:26:02Z cataska joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:26:12Z vanila: (define (display-pairs exp 2014-09-25T09:26:14Z vanila: ) 2014-09-25T09:26:28Z vanila: (if (null? exp) (display "()") 2014-09-25T09:26:57Z vanila: (begin (display "(") (display-pairs (car exp)) (display " . ") (display-pairs (cdr exp)) (display ")")))) 2014-09-25T09:27:02Z vanila: try running this on them 2014-09-25T09:31:07Z wingo quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T09:32:33Z lrs: vanila, http://pastebin.com/33ZAfQY5 2014-09-25T09:32:34Z lrs: ? 2014-09-25T09:32:39Z robot-beethoven quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-09-25T09:39:40Z jusss quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T09:39:40Z vanila: ops my code was wrong sorry 2014-09-25T09:39:54Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:40:34Z vanila: http://lpaste.net/111610 2014-09-25T09:44:13Z wingo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:44:23Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:46:01Z BitPuffin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:47:28Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:49:14Z visualshock joined #scheme 2014-09-25T09:49:16Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T09:50:37Z jusss quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T09:52:22Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T09:58:30Z lrs: Nice vanila 2014-09-25T10:01:16Z lrs: vanila, Really nice man 2014-09-25T10:10:02Z pnkfelix joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:10:24Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:10:26Z Linkrules__: what's different between common lisp and scheme? 2014-09-25T10:11:17Z vanila: Linkrules__, take the expression (f x y z), in common lisp f is interpreted differently (as a funtion), in scheme they are all interpreted in a uniform way 2014-09-25T10:11:42Z vanila: scheme is much smaller and simpler 2014-09-25T10:12:53Z Linkrules__: OK 2014-09-25T10:13:24Z Linkrules__: which one is more common? 2014-09-25T10:14:01Z vanila: common lisp 2014-09-25T10:14:17Z Linkrules__: OK,thanks 2014-09-25T10:14:25Z vanila: [that was a joke] 2014-09-25T10:14:42Z Linkrules__: i am beginner. 2014-09-25T10:14:45Z Linkrules__: haha 2014-09-25T10:15:06Z vanila: if you're a beginner, SICP is very good 2014-09-25T10:15:24Z Linkrules__: yeah, i have that book. 2014-09-25T10:15:31Z vanila: you can read it here http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ and/or watch http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/ 2014-09-25T10:15:31Z rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/39g5p3o 2014-09-25T10:15:33Z vanila: oh! great 2014-09-25T10:15:41Z vanila: well SICP is in scheme - but you can do it anything of course 2014-09-25T10:15:55Z lrs: vanila, Is it good to watch that video 2014-09-25T10:15:59Z lrs: IF youre just studying scheme 2014-09-25T10:16:03Z vanila: lrs, I enjoyed it! 2014-09-25T10:16:13Z vanila: you'll learn a lot more than just scheme if you study this 2014-09-25T10:16:13Z lrs: Or do you know any other videos especially for scheme 2014-09-25T10:16:20Z Linkrules__: yeah , in some part , i can't understand, 2014-09-25T10:16:42Z Linkrules__: so i learning some scheme syntax first. 2014-09-25T10:17:14Z Linkrules__: my english is not good, haha 2014-09-25T10:21:07Z Linkrules__ is now known as ss0x53 2014-09-25T10:21:56Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T10:22:55Z aoh quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T10:22:55Z aoh joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:24:04Z acieroid quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T10:38:26Z acieroid joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:42:00Z vinleod joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:45:12Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:48:01Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T10:48:21Z b4283 quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-09-25T10:50:19Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T10:52:52Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:01:53Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:05:46Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:06:27Z alezost quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:15:52Z yacks quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:31:24Z alezost joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:34:49Z visualshock quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T11:44:27Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:46:04Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:46:20Z BitPuffin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:48:54Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:50:37Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:52:09Z yacks joined #scheme 2014-09-25T11:53:32Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T11:58:37Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:05:03Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-09-25T12:08:18Z travula quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T12:16:20Z renopt quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T12:19:04Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:29:04Z gravicappa joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:29:11Z Isp-sec joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:34:52Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T12:35:55Z renopt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:37:27Z Riastradh quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-09-25T12:39:26Z BitPuffin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:43:29Z wilfredh quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2014-09-25T12:46:46Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:49:40Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T12:51:03Z renopt quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-09-25T12:51:27Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-09-25T12:54:42Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T13:02:32Z renopt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:02:46Z ss0x53 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T13:05:21Z davexunit joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:07:40Z jusss joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:21:57Z tobik quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T13:23:01Z tobik joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:23:58Z oleo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:24:04Z Gyps joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:37:56Z MichaelRaskin quit (Quit: MichaelRaskin) 2014-09-25T13:38:03Z finnrobi_ quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T13:38:44Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:38:45Z jeapostrophe quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T13:38:45Z jeapostrophe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:39:22Z guampa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T13:39:32Z finnrobi joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:40:09Z guampa joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:41:22Z taylanub quit (Disconnected by services) 2014-09-25T13:41:51Z taylanub joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:41:53Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:46:35Z acarrico quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T13:50:17Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:50:39Z DGASAU quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T13:54:11Z DGASAU` joined #scheme 2014-09-25T13:55:39Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T13:57:04Z DGASAU` is now known as DGASAU 2014-09-25T13:58:02Z Isp-sec quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:03:44Z travula joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:08:42Z DGASAU quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T14:10:52Z travula quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:11:48Z DGASAU joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:13:41Z travula joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:14:56Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:16:28Z leppie quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:17:49Z vinleod quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) 2014-09-25T14:20:38Z leppie joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:23:22Z travula quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:24:20Z Gyps quit (Quit: Gyps) 2014-09-25T14:26:12Z DKordic` joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:26:13Z DKordic quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T14:27:55Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:32:41Z altphi joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:32:51Z zlrth joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:38:55Z atomx_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:40:16Z atomx quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T14:41:14Z joast quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-09-25T14:41:30Z Soft quit (Quit: -y) 2014-09-25T14:43:00Z jusss quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T14:53:01Z Shadox joined #scheme 2014-09-25T14:57:56Z Soft joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:01:41Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:02:52Z iterrogo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:03:09Z DGASAU quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T15:03:35Z joast joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:03:52Z joast quit (Client Quit) 2014-09-25T15:05:57Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:09:32Z DGASAU joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:10:43Z Shadox quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T15:11:14Z vanila: I really don't like R7RS stealing _ though 2014-09-25T15:11:15Z vanila: in syntax-rules 2014-09-25T15:11:22Z vanila: that's unfair 2014-09-25T15:12:00Z altphi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:13:45Z common-lisper joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:14:44Z altphi quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:16:12Z zlrth quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:19:04Z przl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:20:23Z theseb joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:22:22Z tobik quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:22:44Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:24:35Z kobain joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:24:41Z kobain_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:24:43Z tobik joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:24:49Z kobain_ quit (Client Quit) 2014-09-25T15:33:44Z common-lisper quit 2014-09-25T15:34:07Z common-lisper joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:37:15Z joast joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:37:15Z altphi_ quit (Quit: somno opus est.) 2014-09-25T15:37:49Z zlrth joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:40:32Z taylanub: vanila: it's pretty widely accepted at the wildcard matching token 2014-09-25T15:40:44Z taylanub: also in `match' 2014-09-25T15:41:41Z zacts is now known as cphuntington97- 2014-09-25T15:41:55Z pnkfelix quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.92.1) 2014-09-25T15:42:03Z aftershave joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:42:11Z cphuntington97- is now known as zacts 2014-09-25T15:52:47Z jlongster joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:55:24Z sad0ur_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:56:52Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T15:57:27Z pnkfelix joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:58:15Z amgarchIn9 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T15:58:31Z vanila: taylanub, but I cant udefine macros that use it can i?! 2014-09-25T15:58:36Z vanila: since they're taken it 2014-09-25T15:59:06Z samth: vanila: no, it's quite easy 2014-09-25T16:00:49Z MichaelRaskin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:01:40Z zacts quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-09-25T16:02:11Z sad0ur joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:02:31Z zacts joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:05:41Z wingo quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T16:16:05Z przl joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:19:13Z Mso150 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:20:19Z wingo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:20:34Z gravicappa quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T16:25:11Z ventonegro quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T16:26:12Z b4283 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:26:40Z Mso150 quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2014-09-25T16:26:56Z Mso150_u joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:30:25Z amgarchIn9 quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T16:30:46Z drdanmaku joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:31:58Z amgarchIn9 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:32:18Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-09-25T16:38:55Z przl quit (Quit: leaving) 2014-09-25T16:40:48Z ilammy: vanila, you *can* define macros that use _ as a literal identifier 2014-09-25T16:40:59Z ilammy: but yeah, you cannot use it as a pattern variable 2014-09-25T16:41:55Z vanila: i dont like that! 2014-09-25T16:42:01Z vanila: why did they introdce this strange new thing? 2014-09-25T16:42:06Z ilammy: I am glad that they are not stealing ... from us now. 2014-09-25T16:42:20Z vanila: hm can you explain please? i dont follow 2014-09-25T16:44:03Z ilammy: As I recall, it was impossible to use ... in any other way in R5RS. It could be a literal, it could not be a pattern variable. 2014-09-25T16:44:18Z ilammy: Only as a special thingy for repetition. 2014-09-25T16:44:33Z ilammy: * could not be a literal 2014-09-25T16:44:36Z vanila: oh wow but in R7RS you can/ 2014-09-25T16:44:37Z vanila: ? 2014-09-25T16:45:17Z ilammy: Kinda ironic that *hygienic* macros were imposing such a restiction. 2014-09-25T16:45:27Z vanila: haha 2014-09-25T16:46:23Z ilammy: Yeah, you can either specify what identifier to use instead of ... for repetition, and use can use (... ...) to write 'this is a variable named ...' 2014-09-25T16:46:40Z vanila: interesting! 2014-09-25T16:46:47Z vanila: that's R7RS forgiven for the _ thing then 2014-09-25T16:47:00Z vanila quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T16:51:51Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T16:58:52Z pnkfelix quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.92.1) 2014-09-25T17:01:53Z common-lisper quit 2014-09-25T17:08:12Z copec quit (Quit: checkity check out.) 2014-09-25T17:09:13Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T17:09:59Z copec joined #scheme 2014-09-25T17:09:59Z copec quit (Excess Flood) 2014-09-25T17:10:25Z copec joined #scheme 2014-09-25T17:10:49Z taylanub: neither _ nor ... (nor any arbitrary identifier) would be a problem wrt. not being possible to be used as a pattern variable, because pattern variables are very local things and you have enough alternatives. ... is a special case though because you both want to use it in the template for its special meaning, and output it literally into the template in case you output another syntax-rules usage. 2014-09-25T17:11:29Z taylanub: _ doesn't have that problem because it's special in the pattern only; you can use it in the template as usual to output it 2014-09-25T17:16:55Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T17:22:06Z langmartin joined #scheme 2014-09-25T17:23:18Z vukcrni quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T17:28:52Z vukcrni joined #scheme 2014-09-25T17:42:25Z altphi joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:16:42Z b4283 quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2014-09-25T18:19:21Z aftershave quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 2014-09-25T18:19:22Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:20:12Z amgarchIn9 quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T18:25:52Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:27:08Z Kryo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T18:35:08Z Kryo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:35:32Z amgarchIn9 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:39:42Z Kryo quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T18:40:12Z daviid joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:42:38Z Kryo joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:46:36Z civodul joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:47:55Z endthefed joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:49:52Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T18:57:25Z pnpuff joined #scheme 2014-09-25T18:59:29Z FracV quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T18:59:53Z FracV joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:04:01Z Mso150_u quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:04:43Z Mso150_u joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:07:24Z Fare joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:13:49Z fridim__ quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:24:10Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:25:28Z wingo quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:26:27Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:27:54Z acarrico joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:32:26Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:36:18Z oleo is now known as Guest72904 2014-09-25T19:37:54Z oleo__ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:39:24Z Guest72904 quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:40:15Z Soft quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:47:44Z lrs quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T19:52:58Z hiroakip joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:53:18Z kazimir42 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:54:13Z Soft joined #scheme 2014-09-25T19:54:26Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2014-09-25T19:56:52Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:00:37Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:12:38Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T20:14:09Z yacks quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T20:20:33Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2014-09-25T20:21:43Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T20:22:15Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2014-09-25T20:25:24Z Mso150_u quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:28:28Z jeapostr1phe joined #scheme 2014-09-25T20:31:22Z jeapostrophe quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:34:16Z theseb joined #scheme 2014-09-25T20:36:44Z pnkfelix joined #scheme 2014-09-25T20:46:08Z taylanub: I wonder if it has any real disadvantages to make the empty list and false objects be the same (though I think making them symbols as in nil is too much) 2014-09-25T20:52:52Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:54:01Z ecraven: taylanub: it makes (if (null? lst) ...) into (if lst ...) 2014-09-25T20:54:25Z ecraven: shorter 2014-09-25T20:54:46Z ecraven: ah, *disadvantages* :) 2014-09-25T20:54:51Z ecraven: it confounds unrelated things 2014-09-25T20:55:00Z ecraven: would you want to make 0 and "" the same as #f too? 2014-09-25T20:55:10Z ecraven: maybe "0" too, while we're at it :) 2014-09-25T20:56:31Z endthefed: siag office is awesome 2014-09-25T20:56:51Z endthefed: hey anyone using awful with chicken? does it do well with many concurrent users? 2014-09-25T20:58:11Z theseb quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T20:58:19Z langmartin quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T20:58:42Z davexunit quit (Quit: Later) 2014-09-25T20:59:50Z ChanServ has set mode +o samth 2014-09-25T21:01:22Z taylanub: ecraven: hm, I guess the empty list is still a valid, useful value after all... 2014-09-25T21:02:21Z taylanub: meh, I guess it's just a form of bikeshedding :) 2014-09-25T21:02:36Z Riastradh joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:03:07Z taylanub: better(?) question: what should I name my library that augments r7rs's (scheme base) with miscellaneous auxiliary procedures? 2014-09-25T21:03:48Z taylanub: r7rs-extras? r7-aux? 2014-09-25T21:04:59Z mario-goulart: r6rs? 2014-09-25T21:05:00Z mario-goulart runs 2014-09-25T21:05:03Z taylanub: :D 2014-09-25T21:06:34Z taylanub: I'll take the boring route and call it r7rs-extras 2014-09-25T21:06:41Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:06:41Z samth: mario-goulart: *rimshot* 2014-09-25T21:06:47Z oldskirt quit (Changing host) 2014-09-25T21:06:47Z oldskirt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:06:58Z mario-goulart: :-) 2014-09-25T21:08:37Z ELLIOTTCABLE is now known as uncomprehensibly 2014-09-25T21:09:09Z taylanub: any specific procedures/syntax from r6rs you'd have wanted in r7rs? I can see if I can add it to this library 2014-09-25T21:09:15Z kazimir42 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2014-09-25T21:09:18Z klltkr joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:09:23Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:14:09Z GGMethos quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T21:14:45Z mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 2014-09-25T21:15:37Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T21:17:13Z GGMethos joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:26:29Z averell quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T21:28:41Z c107 joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:29:34Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T21:29:52Z averell joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:31:09Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:32:27Z davexunit joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:43:16Z Fare quit (Quit: Leaving) 2014-09-25T21:48:16Z altphi quit 2014-09-25T21:48:18Z endthefed: it seems that smalltalk does a better job of abstracting away web than scheme, so far 2014-09-25T21:48:23Z endthefed: counterexample? 2014-09-25T21:48:42Z taylanub: what web modules have you checked? Chicken? Guile? probably Racket has something as well? 2014-09-25T21:48:52Z altphi joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:49:21Z taylanub announces https://gitorious.org/taylan-scheme/r7rs-extras/ . Scrap the io-extensions one; it's become part of this one. 2014-09-25T21:50:57Z kongtomorrow quit 2014-09-25T21:55:28Z endthefed: tayhu? 2014-09-25T21:56:00Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T21:58:51Z taylanub: taywhat? 2014-09-25T22:00:16Z pnpuff quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2014-09-25T22:00:53Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:06:53Z weinholt quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:08:46Z altphi quit 2014-09-25T22:09:58Z endthefed: seaside nice smalltalk web frameowrk 2014-09-25T22:10:02Z endthefed: abstracts away html 2014-09-25T22:10:11Z endthefed: any scheme web framework do the same? 2014-09-25T22:11:16Z samth: endthefed: gavino, go away 2014-09-25T22:11:45Z endthefed: samth: be nice 2014-09-25T22:14:44Z daviid quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:17:24Z weinholt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T22:21:38Z civodul quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-09-25T22:25:09Z kongtomorrow joined #scheme 2014-09-25T22:32:57Z iterrogo quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 2014-09-25T22:33:44Z jeapostr1phe quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:34:57Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:36:29Z BossKonaSegwaY quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:37:36Z oldskirt quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2014-09-25T22:40:10Z ecraven: endthefed: how exactly does seaside "abstract away" html? last I checked it did renderContentOn: html html div id: ... class: ... etc. 2014-09-25T22:43:14Z ecraven: taylanub: where did you find the name and=>? is that common, and I just never came across it? 2014-09-25T22:44:40Z mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 2014-09-25T22:52:23Z byte48 quit (Quit: out) 2014-09-25T22:55:57Z endthefed: I dont know it very well 2014-09-25T22:56:21Z ecraven: endthefed: maybe you should read more about seaside and Scheme web frameworks before making the judgements you made ;) 2014-09-25T22:56:47Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T22:57:29Z samth: ecraven: not really worth engaging w/ gavino 2014-09-25T22:57:41Z BossKonaSegwaY joined #scheme 2014-09-25T22:58:28Z endthefed: well I am making hypothesis 2014-09-25T22:58:32Z endthefed: not a judgement 2014-09-25T22:58:40Z endthefed: I am trying for more info 2014-09-25T22:58:44Z endthefed: I see rackets continue 2014-09-25T22:58:48Z endthefed: chickens awful 2014-09-25T22:58:53Z endthefed: I wotn use jvm anything 2014-09-25T22:59:01Z endthefed: samth: you are rude 2014-09-25T23:00:53Z endthefed: I am curious how awful servs many users, since it has no os threads... 2014-09-25T23:01:07Z endthefed: I wonder if it forks an entire chciken for each user... 2014-09-25T23:01:10Z endthefed: or something 2014-09-25T23:01:10Z jlongster joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:01:56Z hiyosi_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:01:59Z samiryusf joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:05:23Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:05:53Z samiryusf quit (Client Quit) 2014-09-25T23:05:57Z ivanshmakov quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-09-25T23:09:02Z masm quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:09:06Z c107 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2014-09-25T23:09:27Z hiroakip quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:09:52Z drewc quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:14:23Z ivanshmakov joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:15:51Z Shmore joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:22:00Z jlongster joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:25:30Z stepnem quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:35:23Z hiyosi_ joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:37:04Z tadni joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:41:42Z endthefed [sid14502@racket/samth] has been kicked from #scheme by samth (endthefed) 2014-09-25T23:42:06Z pjdelport: Thank you. :) 2014-09-25T23:42:07Z samth has set mode +b *!~Minnie@cpe-142-129-50-121.socal.res.rr.com 2014-09-25T23:44:45Z drewc joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:45:35Z effy joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:47:00Z weinholt quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:47:22Z Soft quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:47:46Z weinholt joined #scheme 2014-09-25T23:48:36Z jlongster quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2014-09-25T23:49:07Z Soft joined #scheme