18:56:21 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #scheme 18:56:21 18:56:21 -!- names: ccl-logbot hiroakip annodomini Riastradh seantallen Khisanth tupi ivan\ jao zarul MichaelRaskin SrPx gravicappa Fare DGASAU` joast ijp theseb zjxv oleo davexunit Kneferilis LeoNerd Shadox pnkfelix Okasu jeapostrophe wilfredh bjz githogori pyro- evhan jewel omefire copumpkin BossKonaSegwaY araujo heath acarrico tali713 guampa brendyn juanfra hive-mind peterhil asumu Nshag gf3 noam joneshf-work pjdelport balkamos leppie stamourv` effy emma gnomon cmpitg 18:56:21 -!- names: cdidd mornfall stamourv fridim_ `^_^v fikusz mrowe_away haroldwu Giomancer rudybot _8680_ SwashBuckla Natch _5kg_ kwmiebach____ stephe__ gluegadget samth greghendershott inarru misv SHODAN dRbiG aftershave jrslepak aoh Razz shardz waxysubs mmc tessier_ ktos joneshf-laptop janelleb dpk pjb iron_houzi fadein ada2358 kbtr_ jaimef C-Keen duncanm_ pchrist Blkt zacts ohama defanor fizzie ozzloy chromex_ jkraemer xian cosmez twaapo jj2baile sung_ offby1 z0d 18:56:21 -!- names: Kruppe yosafbridge kilimanjaro ctindall pe7ed27 akp ec tsuyoshi cky copec mario-goulart antoszka cmatei amoe chengox_ aeth aap_ arbscht marcoecc marsbot m4burns cratuki ecraven twem2_ tenq|out eMBee edw nicdev poucet clog sethalves aking ski zbigniew felipe certainty Saeren dan64 finnrobi SirDayBat ft cross jyc micro slowpoke epsylon cibs DerGuteMoritz Kabaka_ choas ineiros turbofail dca acieroid gabot 18:58:10 Use foof-loop! 19:00:50 turbofail: why can't you use a set! withing a do loop? 19:01:23 'Cos it makes the control flow hard to follow and slows down the program. 19:03:34 theseb: many scheme compilers are able to work a lot better if you refrain from using set! 19:13:54 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19:50 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:38:45 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #scheme 19:38:54 I don't think I've ever used "do" in my life 19:38:58 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:39:37 same here 19:41:28 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 19:43:39 theseb: well, every program can be written as one giant while loop, so yes 19:44:31 you'll be writing a statemachine, and it will be terrible from a modularity point of view, but that isn't what you asked 19:45:19 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-248-225.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:47:19 All you really need is subtract and branch if negative! 19:48:00 This is how, for example, the x86 page fault mechanism is a Turing machine without requiring the execution of any x86 instructions itself. 19:48:54 *poof* 19:50:37 Riastradh: I was thinking of the less exotic "fetch/execute cycle" 19:53:40 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:59:08 -!- pnkfelix [~pnkfelix@89.202.203.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:30 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-248-225.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 20:10:29 there is an interesting historical article "on folk theorems" abot this result on flow charts 20:36:25 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-chkuxxoobtlrtcyv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:56 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-245-28.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:38:34 chameco [~chameco@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:47:43 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 20:54:58 ijp: wait...thanks....that is useful....do what you are saying is i should implement while loops first and then I can do for loops and do loops from THAT!? 20:55:02 shweet! 20:55:17 s/do// 20:55:29 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:57:56 -!- chameco [~chameco@cpe-67-246-148-164.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:06 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 20:59:53 I'm saying that if you want to write your programs in a completely ridiculous way, bohm and jacopini have your back 21:00:14 (I bet I've misremembered that second one) 21:04:40 ijp: i'm trying to write a python2scheme compiler...hence the need for iterative artifacts 21:04:56 ijp: i wouldn't use for and while in scheme if left to my druthers 21:05:28 ijp: i won't read those books but i'll just wrote for in terms of while..that should be nuff since python doesn't have do 21:06:27 (btw, note that Scheme `do' is distinct from `do'-`while' in e.g. C,C++,Java,C#) 21:09:59 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-248-225.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:59 Fare [~fare@172.56.19.48] has joined #scheme 21:11:45 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:14 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-248-225.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 21:21:42 -!- Fare [~fare@172.56.19.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-154.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:47 Fare [~fare@172.56.19.48] has joined #scheme 21:29:19 nisstyre [~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-210.netflash.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:24 -!- nisstyre [~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-210.netflash.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:29:24 nisstyre [~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 21:29:45 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:30:28 tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-118-148-98.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:31:35 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 21:33:59 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:25 -!- Fare [~fare@172.56.19.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:54 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-248-225.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:38:44 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 21:50:23 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:50 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 21:52:01 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:07 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:04:38 cmpitg [~cmpitg@unaffiliated/cmpitg] has joined #scheme 22:10:36 davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has joined #scheme 22:17:58 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:18:13 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 22:22:59 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 22:24:39 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD61A64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:27:59 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:12 peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 22:33:15 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:40:29 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.0.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:43 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 22:59:56 -!- tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-118-148-98.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bye!] 23:07:38 zajn [~zajn@ip-64-134-226-89.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 23:08:55 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@173.231.115.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-21T23:21:14Z -!- zajn [~zajn@ip-64-134-226-89.public.wayport.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-21T23:24:07Z juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 2014-03-21T23:25:38Z Sgeo [~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 2014-03-21T23:26:10Z -!- SrPx [~vhsmaia@177.41.224.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-21T23:28:26Z -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-21T23:47:34Z -!- acarrico [~acarrico@sugarb1-dhcp-162.greenmountainaccess.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-21T23:52:20Z acarrico [~acarrico@sugarb1-dhcp-162.greenmountainaccess.net] has joined #scheme 2014-03-21T23:54:49Z -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD61A64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-21T23:59:41Z alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD61A64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme