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Or in Rust? 01:07:07 in language-interfacing generally 01:07:18 maybe. C++ exceptions can be caught, though 01:07:24 probably not very much in either racket or rust though 01:07:26 so its still different from Rust's fail model. 01:07:28 true 01:08:48 samth: is there some way for me to try to make this look like an ec continuation from the POV of racket? 01:09:17 pnkfelix: i don't really know, but i'd look here: http://docs.racket-lang.org/inside/exceptions.html 01:09:19 escape continuation, I guess is what I meant 01:09:28 samth: ah, great. 01:10:43 other than that, i'd ask on the list 01:12:06 samth: okay. I'll play with that. (Though all my Racket code for this so far has been pure .rkt.) 01:12:20 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:30 yeah 01:12:42 that stuff is aimed at people embedding racket in C 01:13:53 samth: there's a separate mechanism for insulating the DrScheme interface from the code it is running, right? 01:14:11 yes, that's about custodians/sandboxes/etc 01:14:16 samth: or is that all just layered on top of the exception functionality you pointed me at (e.g. the break stuff) 01:14:18 hmm, okay 01:14:56 also, that's all pure racket 01:20:44 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:03 jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:23:07 -!- jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:23:07 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 01:30:17 -!- annodomini_ [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini_] 01:32:11 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@101.110.31.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:49 frkout [~frkout@101.110.31.250] has joined #scheme 01:34:07 samth: How does the 3m gc interact with the FFI? E.g. if I pass a closure as a (_fun _uint32 -> _uint32), does the FFI automatically pin the closure itself so that it does not need to update references that are in the frames of the external library? 01:34:39 samth: (i don't think this is related to my current issues, I'm just curious) 01:38:07 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD62321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:15 illerucis [~illerucis@cpe-72-225-194-43.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:38:44 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:39:33 samth: oh wait, there's a lot of doc about this. 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