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Long names are OK for functions whose behaviour is sufficiently subtle to justify it, if you call them sufficiently rarely 15:01:20 You are clearly making a predicate. The predicate checks if a list is sorted. I feel this justifies make-sorted-list-predicate 15:01:34 sorted is true even if there are subsequences of equal elements. 15:01:40 I want to imply that it's stronger. 15:01:47 monotonic ? 15:02:06 That sounds good. 15:02:28 "2. (mathematics) said of a function that either never decreases or never increases as its independent variable increases." 15:02:36 That sounds more like <= >= ? 15:02:38 not monotonic, i think 15:03:03 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:32 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:04:27 uile 15:04:31 whoops, ignore that 15:04:42 maybe just add "strict" or smth 15:04:57 monotonic could be <= or >= 15:05:25 Yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotonic_function makes it sound like the = case is included. 15:05:30 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:35 Perhaps I'll go with ascending after all. 15:05:39 Yes; the difference is monotonic vs. strictly monotonic 15:05:58 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:06:00 Ah, yep they mention that. 15:06:04 ascending does not tell if elements are unique or not 15:06:52 make-strict-monotonic-list-predicate 15:07:00 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 15:07:01 Which is very long. :P 15:08:28 yeah, it's usually either precise or short 15:08:59 (strictly-monotonic-list-of el? <) 15:09:07 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:37 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:10:25 I'm choosing the name that way because that reads much better when used, esp. with combinators. 15:12:26 Thx! 15:13:36 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:10 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:17:33 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:05 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:18:06 -!- illerucis [~illerucis@cpe-72-225-194-43.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:33 illerucis [~illerucis@cpe-72-225-194-43.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:24:07 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:33 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-197-83.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:38 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:25:03 add^_ [~user@m176-70-197-83.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 15:28:08 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:41 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:29:40 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 15:34:45 mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has joined #scheme 15:35:02 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:37 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:36:31 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:09 jaccas [~pjfcl@bl6-22-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:38:14 chrisirc: At least change the -of to -pred or so. 15:38:41 Since Scheme uses ? 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Excellent reason behind the name for it, too. 18:50:58 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:38 wingo_ [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:51:48 asumu, gnomon thanks :) 18:52:10 i think it's probably downhill from here, as far as naming goes; i was pretty pleased with that one ;) 18:52:20 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:52:25 Compost? 18:52:28 Link? 18:52:51 http://wingolog.org/archives/2014/02/18/compost-a-leaf-function-compiler-for-guile 18:52:51 http://tinyurl.com/mevx6u5 18:53:26 -!- mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:08 Heh. 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What procedure is this error referring to: https://gist.github.com/ironhouzi/56ae2f93ed9ad8a5f077 ? 21:20:26 (pp #@78) 21:22:12 Riastradh: Thanks! That is just what I needed. 21:24:43 It is referring to the anonymous lambda function. What is the second argument here? 21:28:45 #[compound-procedure 78] 21:29:01 #@78 gets you that value by number. 21:29:58 Oh, sorry. 21:30:03 I misread your question. 21:30:22 I don't know -- ask the debugger. 21:30:28 If you're in Edwin, it should pop up. 21:30:30 If not, you can type (debug). 21:30:50 I'm in the mit-scheme repl 21:31:24 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:34:51 bars0 [~Name@87.106.107.151] has joined #scheme 21:39:05 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #scheme 21:40:02 ggrant [~user@75-132-18-215.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:43:00 -!- mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 21:44:45 -!- illerucis [~illerucis@pool-108-14-200-187.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:26 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:45 -!- mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 21:59:11 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 22:00:36 -!- bars0 [~Name@87.106.107.151] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:59 -!- mgodshall [~mgodshall@8.20.30.249] has quit [Quit: mgodshall] 22:01:00 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 22:11:56 I'm trying to understand anonymous functions: Why isn't this working? https://gist.github.com/ironhouzi/56ae2f93ed9ad8a5f077 22:12:49 What happens when you try it? 22:12:51 And what did you expect to happen? 22:13:00 (Also, did you redefine MAP?) 22:13:12 No. Map should work just fine 22:13:42 (OK, good, just checking -- you had been defining REDUCE and MAP2 so I thought I'd be sure.) 22:13:44 It should produce a list of means 22:14:04 You should specify exactly what you expected to see, and exactly what you saw instead. 22:14:05 I believe it's called mean in English 22:14:30 ah yes: this: (2 3 4) 22:14:44 OK. And what did you see instead? 22:15:13 The object 3, passed as the first argument to car, is not the correct type. 22:16:12 Am I comletely off here? 22:16:44 So, what does MAP do? What values will it pass as arguments to the procedure? 22:17:39 (map function list-one list-two) no? 22:17:55 That's how you use it; what will it do with the function and the lists? 22:18:24 It will perform the function on it's arguments, no? 22:18:33 Can you be more specific? 22:18:36 Sorry 22:20:07 map should recursively go through the elements of the two lists it takes as arguments and use the function as the operator on these two elements, no? 22:21:08 ..or am I being completely ignorant as to what the map function is supposed to do? 22:21:10 <`^_^v> given that the function works on two elements, and the elements are taken to be numbers, does (car l1) make sense? 22:21:25 ah 22:21:37 <`^_^v> also, (/ 2 x) and (/ x 2) are not the same 22:21:44 true 22:21:51 Thanks 22:22:39 Oh, I see what I've been missing here. I need to somehow pass the result of cat l1/l2 to the map function. 22:22:41 Thanks 22:23:27 <`^_^v> what? 22:23:56 <`^_^v> if you are just trying to calculate the mean of two numbers, your code simply needs to be changed to (map (lambda (x y) (/ (+ x y) 2)) '(1 2 3 4) '(3 4 5)) 22:24:10 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:40 <`^_^v> the error message you received actually told you everything we did, except the flipping of arguments to / 22:27:02 `^_^v: WOw! Now you really have been able to pinpoint what I don't understand about the anonymous functions. Thank you ever so much! 22:27:14 s/don't/didn't/ 22:28:46 <`^_^v> i'm not sure how this problem relates to a lack of understanding about anonymous functions, but if you understand functions, you understand anonymous functions - an anonymous function is just a function without a name 22:31:28 <`^_^v> i.e. you can define a function normally -- (define x (lambda (y z) (/ (+ y z) 2))) and write (map x '(1 2 3) '(4 5 6)) 22:33:29 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:01 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:39:45 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317577.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 22:46:15 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 22:46:15 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 22:48:29 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:34 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 22:54:17 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-ghhzakspjpkolbjd] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:55:06 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 22:55:54 alexei_ [~amgarchin@79.214.35.33] has joined #scheme 22:56:27 It's difficult to understand something fully when being ignorant. It just takes that one way of saying things, or some example that gives you that lightbulb moment. Your answer happened to give me this lightbulb moment, so thank you for that. 22:57:38 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:08 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 23:02:45 moea [~moe@host217-42-246-181.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:04:51 Ah, I remember that feeling. Nowadays I seem to have much more frequent but less intense lightbulb moments. 23:08:07 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:10:48 And indeed, I consider the term "anonymous function" harmful (at least the way it's usually used), for wrongly implying that functions have names by default! 23:12:36 :) 23:12:39 An interesting premise 23:17:37 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 23:21:59 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-197-83.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:22:16 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:35:41 -!- certainty [~david@www1.d-coded.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:15 klltkr_ [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #scheme 23:41:12 -!- Rodya_ [~trav@pool-98-115-20-99.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:41:49 zRecursive [~czsq888@183.12.93.189] has joined #scheme 23:46:41 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 23:50:40 -!- towodo [~anonymous@30-16-254.dynamic.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:51:49 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:52:03 mshoruzu [~michael@107.155.70.195] has joined #scheme 23:59:37 ASau` [~user@p54AFE136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:59:50 -!- arubincloud [uid489@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjxtwbluitbgigtx] has quit []