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ISTR people recommend Racket for SICP. 01:27:27 taylanub: Makes sense, actually. Thanks for the pointer! :^) 01:28:29 ggrant: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/ 01:29:03 19:04 But a forth program isn't massively parallel -> http://www.greenarraychips.com/ (144 computers in a $20 chip). you can get pretty massive with a bunch of these 01:29:26 That is 144 separate independent computers, each running a forth program 01:30:14 The multiplicty and concurrency comes from having multiple separate independent sets of program and communicating between them; not from having one globally-shared set of mutable state over which multiple interpreters all run 01:31:14 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:56 stamourv`: Oh, very nice! Ty. 01:32:15 I think a forth interpreter without mutation wouldn't be crazy, since you're only editing the top of the stack anyway, so you could reuse a lot of structure 01:32:42 I thought forth also had a dictionary random-access thing somewhere 01:32:45 the way to write forth is ultimately in assembly, of course ;) 01:35:02 LeoNerd: agreed on no globally-shared state (at least until you consider access to external RAM) 01:35:40 ggrant_ [~ggrant@75-132-18-215.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:36:01 LeoNerd: the forth dictionary is typically implemented as something very similar to an assoc list 01:36:09 since it's only used when "compiling" 01:36:43 and if you "delete" something you actually forget everything defined after that 01:38:32 so, again, defining something would be consing, and deleting would be taking some cdr 01:39:09 -!- ggrant [~ggrant@75-132-18-215.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:39:11 I'm not saying it would be a particularly fast forth interpreter, but there would be nothing seriously wrong about it 01:40:15 the premise being that doing a forth interpreter in scheme would be done mainly for the lulz 01:40:56 I think Let Over Lambda has a forth interpreter at the end. I haven't looked into it, but I think it's heavily macro-based 01:41:19 I keep pondering a Perlish rewrite of Let Over Lambda; because the title Do Over Sub is much more amusing 01:42:52 heh :) 01:46:08 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 01:51:10 *ggrant_* wonders if he could get racket's SICP language, working in Emacs -- or if he'll be forced to live in DrRacket for this term of study. 01:52:49 as for HtDP vs SICP, I think it's a mostly pointless debate: work through the first chapter of each and you'll have a pretty good idea of which one will work best for you. make sure to check out SICP at some point later even if you discard it at first 01:54:57 ggrant_: they should know in #racket I guess? 01:55:13 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-223-52.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 01:56:11 estevocastro: Ah, true. 01:57:27 -!- FareWell [~fare@172.56.36.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:57:47 another fun starting point for some people may be Realm of Racket (somewhat following the spirit of Land of Lisp) 01:58:27 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-214-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58:35 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 02:03:53 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:06:08 *ggrant_* is glad to see such texts have a more general user, basis and would love to see more works with that aim. 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parentheses :) 09:48:33 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:49:01 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:51:01 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@194.228.32.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:25 b4283 [~b4283@36-238-224-65.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 09:55:27 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 10:03:36 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 10:04:50 ecraven, so the (+ 1 c) is automatically assumed to be the return expression - in the case of function allowing multiple expressions 10:05:35 yes, in a function, the results of evaluating the last expression are returned 10:05:43 right 10:06:06 so I could have even given another expression say (define c 1) (+ 1 1 ) (+ 1 c) 10:06:17 yes 10:06:19 with (+ 1 1) having no meaning 10:06:20 as many as you want 10:06:27 if it has side-effects, it is useful 10:06:31 otherwise, it does nothing :) 10:07:05 oh thats very intersting lol 10:07:40 atleast language wise the construct is clear thanks ecraven 10:08:14 but is it actually scheme interpreter 10:08:25 i even read define works its own ways in different implementations 10:11:54 usually we are introduced to (define (a) expression) and not (define (a) expressions) with the last being the returnee 10:15:31 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:16:16 jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 10:21:03 -!- fire [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:24:14 I found one expansion for scheme simply confused human explanation of machine exectution 10:27:28 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:42 in which way? 10:28:02 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 10:28:04 :) 10:28:15 just a joke , its pretty good language 10:28:43 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.94.104] has joined #scheme 10:28:44 but confusing in terms of readability but I am new 10:28:51 its difficult to read elisp code for example 10:29:30 that depends on the style it's written in :) as with any language, there's well-written and badly-written code 10:31:13 thats right , there is a profileration of plugins in emacs 10:31:20 proliferation* 10:38:56 dmitry [~textual@178.162.95.192] has joined #scheme 10:50:13 -!- juanfra [~juanfra@unaffiliated/juanfra] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:53:44 kubatyszko [~kubatyszk@softbank126078216014.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 11:08:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:09:21 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 11:10:21 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10:26 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 11:12:18 -!- dmitry 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It's quite powerful, but kinda hard to implement. Is there a standard name for the "simpler" case where you only guarantee it while the thunk doesn't itself return...? 16:20:08 (something (lambda (cont) (do things here and maybe invoke (cont ...)))) for a shortcircuit return... 16:20:27 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:56 LeoNerd: call/ec comes to mind from somewhere 16:21:39 Mmm 16:21:57 I'll be honest; the thing I'm writing is neither Scheme nor continuations, but I'm looking for naming ideas.. 16:22:27 ec for escape continuation 16:22:37 Yeah... So I suppose what I have could be called an escape future.. 16:22:49 future? 16:22:49 Ooh.. escape rather than exit? Hmm.. yes.. that's a better name 16:23:44 my $f = call_with_escape_future { some code goes here that just returns a future }; <== trivial wrapping. my $f = call_with_escape_future { my($esc) = @_; ... can $esc->done( "Early returned result" ); here ... }; 16:23:54 a future is something that produces a value, potentially asynchronously, in my book 16:24:08 Yah.. 16:24:29 My Futures are the firstclass objects on both sides, though... they're also the handle by which the thing providing the value later, does so 16:24:36 $f->done( "the result" ); 16:24:51 why not decompose those? 16:25:02 you can have one thing that just does the escaping 16:25:04 I considered it, but I like the neatness.. 16:25:09 and one that does the future asynchrony thing 16:25:10 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 16:25:18 then you can just compose them 16:25:25 it's cleaner design that way IMHO 16:25:34 The sorts of languages that split the two halves (e.g. like C++) tend to call one a promise and one a future, and use static typing to enforce only the right methods on each side 16:25:41 That's not a very perlish idea... 16:26:04 isn't a promise more like (delay)? 16:26:18 So my Future objects are both the value the caller uses to wait on the result and eventually obtain it, and the value the callee uses to provide the result into. 16:26:25 (and also handles failures and cancellation and whatnot) 16:26:45 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 16:26:47 Eh.. the words "promise" and "future" get rather intermingled, across various languages. There's no real standard meanings of the words. 16:26:53 I see 16:26:56 yeah apparently 16:27:15 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:30 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:28:03 I could have generated values in pairs, perhaps with some sort of pair generator like pipe(2) does, but that leads to more awkward mess. Doubly so in refcounted languages like Perl, because the two would have to strongly reference each other. 16:28:33 Using the same object for both sides avoids that cycle too. You just have to agree "caller, you can use these methods, and callee, you can use these other ones" 16:29:02 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 16:29:04 how about something like channel + coroutine as in Go and such? 16:29:51 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:30:49 -!- rajeshsr [~rajeshsr@106.51.43.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:32:38 rajeshsr [~rajeshsr@106.51.43.4] has joined #scheme 16:34:21 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35:53 Those are quite different things.. but I already have those anyway :) 16:36:10 add^_ [~user@m5-241-186-97.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 16:36:10 As I said I'm just looking for a name to call a useful bit of function 16:36:47 ok channels don't retain their value, indeed 16:38:27 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-89-177-53-194.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 16:42:00 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD61105.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 16:47:45 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 16:48:10 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:48:10 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:48:10 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 16:49:19 SICP says the idea that eval is a program is the fundamental idea in programming.....I agree it is useful/cool/interesting.....What I really want to know is why is this the *FUNDAMENTAL* idea in programming? 16:51:28 theseb: Which section is this in? 16:54:18 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58:35 theseb: It neatly embodies the idea that code and data aren't two entirely separate things... that data can represent code, by explaining behaviour, actions to take. 16:58:53 arubin: metacirculur evaluator section 16:59:20 chapter* 16:59:57 araujo: chap 4 pg 360 of 2nd edition 17:00:34 LeoNerd: but that idea was present in the stored program idea of Von Neumann and friends 17:01:00 LeoNerd: in the design papers for the EDSAC...it clicked that they could store data and code in memory the same way 17:01:20 Ohyes it's not a new idea... but neither was the idea of putting square-cut stones on top of other stones, at the time they built Westminster Cathederal.. Nevertheless, it stands as a fine example of the power of that general idea 17:01:21 LeoNerd: i agree it is cool but still not sure why that is FOUNDATIONAL to the ENTIRE field of programming 17:03:08 LeoNerd: i wonder if this is related to Universal Turing MAchines and discovery those can simulate any Turing Machine 17:03:21 Yes.. it's exactly that 17:03:58 UTM says "a turing machine can emulate a turing machine" then goes on to explain how useful that is.. Scheme's eval written in Scheme is exactly analogous to that - it observes that it is a machine that can simulate itself 17:04:21 -!- palach [~palach@92.55.10.190] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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A Turing Machine is hard wired: the program is stored in the state machine, and can't be changed by any input (the data on the tape). A Universal Turing Machine on the other hand stores both the input data, and the state machine on the tape. It still has a hard wired program, but it is only the program that implements the virtual Turing Machine. Now the user can run any TM just changing the tape. 17:55:39 Our computers (stored programs Von Neumann computers) are already Universal Turing Machine. 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colorization is nice, but it's not in js 18:52:07 ah, missed the js bit 18:53:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-68-160.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:54:23 i've used prettify.js before, but it was not very nice 18:56:33 and not sure if it'll be easy to use with org mode (that is, when it's not easy to customize classes, so js should be customized to match classes generated by org mode, like src-scheme) 19:01:34 FurnaceBoy [~qu1j0t3@kvm5.telegraphics.com.au] has joined #scheme 19:10:04 Is the GitHub highlighter in JS? 19:10:23 arubin: will check now, nice idea 19:10:36 *arubin* guesses Ruby. 19:11:19 -!- FurnaceBoy [~qu1j0t3@kvm5.telegraphics.com.au] has left #scheme 19:12:16 http://highlightjs.org/ 19:12:21 probably, works fine with js turned off 19:13:15 yeah, checked it, but not sure how it'll work with scheme. seems like there is single "lisp" for all lisps, but it seems easily customizable wrt to classes 19:13:38 so probably will try it 19:17:37 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