00:01:57 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 00:02:08 taylanub: I think he may have misunderstood you. In his case, they might well end up using the same stack slot, but in yours, entry to 'bar' allocates a new stack frame for the nested block unless the compiler rearranges things during optimization. 00:02:55 -!- Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:02:58 entitativity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:03:27 Well, not a new stack frame, but it would bump the stack pointer to allocate the storage for bar upon entry to the block, IIRC. 00:08:14 Even with the extent not matching the scope in C99, and the bit with skipping initializers if you jump into the middle of a block with goto/switch+case, things are still clearer in C than in Javascript. 00:08:33 And not *too* different from how they are in Scheme. 00:12:25 But yeah, explicit declaration of local mutable variables is the only sane way to scope them. 00:25:12 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-24-6-95-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #scheme 00:39:43 fikusz [~fikusz@catv-89-132-137-62.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 00:53:41 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:01:08 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:01 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 01:09:45 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD61753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 01:10:43 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:18 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 01:13:15 main [~main@bwh122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 01:15:28 -!- main [~main@bwh122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 01:38:39 -!- cdan_ [~cdan@95.76.67.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:40 -!- cdan [~cdan@95.76.67.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:47:22 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-51-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:27 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:02:38 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD61753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:16 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:03:27 tupi [~user@189.60.24.28] has joined #scheme 02:35:35 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Quit: quit] 02:35:38 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:36:57 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 02:39:18 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:08 -!- b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:45:56 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:48:54 weie [~weie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 03:03:46 yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has joined #scheme 03:06:28 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:08:12 arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:25:33 -!- tenkyuu [~tenkyuu@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:53 hatFolk [~hatFolk@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:10 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:47:44 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:04 -!- edw [~edw@ec2-54-204-106-179.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:19 edw [~edw@ec2-54-204-106-179.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 04:01:54 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:06:23 -!- yrdz [~p_adams@unaffiliated/p-adams/x-7117614] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:26 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.24.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:45 tupi [~user@189.60.24.28] has joined #scheme 04:18:58 estevocastro [~estevocas@118.Red-81-32-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:32 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:35:22 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@118.Red-81-32-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:44:49 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.24.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:04 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:51:11 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:58:26 -!- arubin [~textual@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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to map on lists and both should have a map-index variant 20:56:37 I chimed in a discussion about this with somebody a few days ago 20:56:43 That'd be I 20:56:57 also, vector-map is not part of RnRS ;-) 20:56:57 And I said back then that it was unacceptable and I retain my position. 20:57:02 I know 20:57:08 It's srfi 43 I think 20:57:19 right 20:57:23 THat aside, whoever made srfi 1 and 43 should've paid mind to consistent naming. 20:57:26 so fork it and make it more consistent :-) 20:57:34 But there is already a standard. 20:57:40 You cannot do that. 20:57:46 But rest assured that I rename them every time I use them 20:57:56 why can't you do that? 20:58:02 there are like 3 SRFIs for streams 20:58:16 Well, no one will accept my standard fgor goof reason because all it does is renaming. 20:58:18 that's why they are numbered in the first place 20:58:22 Even though I would add the normal one for both. 20:58:45 And when someone then sees 'vector-map' in code they might become confused from being used to the new one. 20:58:48 well, this really seems to be giving you sleepless nights! 20:58:55 Truth 20:58:59 perhaps you are not alone 20:59:18 It should be list:map list:map-index and vector:map, vector:map-index where list: and vector: are import praefixes. 20:59:26 Hmm 20:59:29 I'll take it 20:59:50 I originally had my own vector-map called vector-iter. 20:59:54 I shall dust of the old source 20:59:56 how would you integrate hash-table:map in your scheme? 21:00:23 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-164-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:38 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-132-93.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:01:41 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:05 groovy2shoes [~guv@cpe-071-077-065-019.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:02:07 -!- groovy2shoes [~guv@cpe-071-077-065-019.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:02:07 groovy2shoes [~guv@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 21:02:14 DerGuteMoritz, what does it currently do? 21:02:29 Does it give a key to the function? 21:02:45 well the one from SRFI 69 does 21:02:49 key + val 21:03:04 Well, I would call that hash-table:map-index of course 21:03:20 and let hash-table:map not supply it 21:03:28 or replace map-index with iter, as long as it's constent 21:03:37 I haven't slept in 3 days unwilling to accept this travesty of naming conventions 21:03:49 heh 21:07:25 You mock my plight milady. 21:09:25 no it's cool, I kind of relate 21:09:30 it just doesn't steal my sleep :-) 21:10:47 All it takes for evil to succeed is for good man to retain their silence. 21:10:54 men* 21:12:00 edw` [~user@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 21:12:06 I guess what you strive for is something like Clojure's generic sequence API 21:13:20 Nahh 21:13:23 I like strong typing 21:13:49 But I also like consistent naming 21:14:12 I do like about clojure that list? is constant time though 21:14:36 That it isn't in scheme results into all kinds of funky unspecified behaviour when mapping over them 21:15:16 -!- edw` [~user@207.239.61.34] has left #scheme 21:15:23 Also, every datum should be immutable by default and have an option for mutability and stuff. But dead horse is dead, the naming one is still alive enough for me to grab a horned club and beat it into a bloody mess enjoying its screams for its very life. 21:16:25 Nizumzen [~Nizumzen@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:38 there is now a scheme on top of erlang vm 21:23:05 joxa 21:23:39 http://the-concurrent-schemer.github.io/scm-doc/ 21:24:10 I think that it's neat 21:24:31 -!- raiskailija [~nevzets@unaffiliated/nevzets] has left #scheme 21:26:15 weird guy 21:26:36 joxa is more of a clojure-alike 21:26:56 they call it scheme though don't they? 21:27:05 no 21:27:14 the concurrent schemer is probably what you are thinking of! 21:27:21 *sigh* :) 21:27:34 too much lisp! 21:27:35 I got 99 schemes and joxa ain't one 21:27:40 anyone here @ 30c3, as well? 21:34:11 bars0 [~Name@d143-96.icpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 21:39:22 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 21:43:13 -!- bars0 [~Name@d143-96.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: 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[~nevzets@unaffiliated/nevzets] has joined #scheme 23:20:56 DerGuteMoritz, this shall not stand. 23:21:14 edw [~edw@ec2-54-205-172-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 23:21:18 However has wrought this vile injustice to naming consistency shall pay dearly, justice shall be served. 23:21:52 -!- jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:17 jaccas [~pjfcl@3.182.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 23:22:42 ,(+ 41 1) 23:23:15 -!- defanor [~defanor@ppp91-77-169-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:23:55 -!- defanor- [~defanor@ppp91-77-169-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:25:22 hello 23:30:25 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@118.Red-81-32-187.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:41:45 -!- mario-go` is now known as mario-goulart 23:45:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE6448B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46:05 zacts, okay, so like 23:46:17 In srfi-1 the list library, they define map on lists called map 23:46:31 Which maps over the values and doesn't take a key as argument 23:46:46 in srfi-43 they define vector-map, which maps over vectors but takes the key with it 23:47:09 shouldn't vector-map not take the index and both libraries have a function defined which takes the index?