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Very nice. has anybody done koans for Scheme, or even for Racket for that matter? 04:04:05 Other than "Moon instructs a student", I don't know of any. 04:04:30 One day a student came to Moon and said: “I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons.” 04:04:30 Moon patiently told the student the following story: 04:04:30 “One day a student came to Moon and said: ‘I understand how to make a better garbage collector... 04:04:38 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:06:33 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 04:08:34 i must admit that i don't get it. 04:08:46 i assume it has something to do with self-reference :) 04:08:49 Yes. 04:09:05 Reference-counting garbage collectors can't cope with circular data structures. 04:11:18 i pretty much don't know anything about implementation. 04:14:25 THe idea is that if you keep in each object the number of other objects that point to it, and then carefully update that count as you go, 04:14:40 you can eliminate an object as garbage when its reference count goes to zero. 04:15:02 But if two objects refer to each other, then their reference counts can never drop below 1, even if they are otherwise unreferenced and therefore garbage. 04:15:55 The other problem with reference counting is that if an object becomes garbage, you have to decrement the reference counts of all objects it refers to, recursively. That can take a looong time. 04:16:09 So few modern systems (CPython is an exception) use reference counting any more. 04:19:36 ah, makes sense. 04:19:59 wasn't that the system alluded to in mccarthy's original paper? 04:21:33 No, I think that was a mark and sweep system 04:22:06 trace from known roots all non-garbage and mark it as such, then read through memory and put all unmarked objects on a free list, then unmark everything again. 04:22:58 Posix file systems use reference counting to decide when there are no hard links to a file remaining; loops are checked for by mkdir() and forbidden. 04:23:27 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:24:48 it's been a little while since i've read that paper. 04:26:33 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:26 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:03 -!- PiRSquared [~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17] has quit [Quit: .] 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(the imaginary unit), not a procedure, so that will fail. Moreover, you probably didn't want to bind < as a loop variable first to i (which is presumably unbound) and then to 10 in subsequent iterations. 23:36:09 ASau [~user@p5797E8B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:39:07 nice thanks 23:39:08 (define n 10) 23:39:09 (do ((i 0 (+ i 1))) 23:39:09 ((= i n) ) 23:39:09 (display "God save the queen")) 23:39:12 did the trick 23:39:31 Parentheses are important! They can't just be sprinkled in wherever you like as in C. 23:40:44 -!- eupho4ic [~hapless@c-24-18-95-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:10 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]