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I was recently reading about chibi scheme. Saw there statment that the "Default language" is R7RS, but didn't manage to find wether it is possible to change it to some other. 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(not a) (not b))) 17:24:45 Surely boolean=? 17:25:18 Well, I expect a (imply p q) instead of a boolean<=? 17:25:38 Notice that (eq boolean<=? imply) :-/ 17:25:50 (with the usual ordering of #f < #t 17:29:23 noobboob: Also the logic gate XNOR captures the notion of "true if both booleans are same", i.e. (if (xnor a b) "a and b are either both true, or both false" "(else) one is true, the other false") 17:29:35 I.e. `boolean=?' is `xnor'. 17:30:04 (Neither exist in any standard.) 17:30:41 There are only 16 binary boolean functions, and they all have names 17:32:23 true, false, A, B, not A, not B, and, nand, or, nor, xor, xnor, <, <=, >=, > 17:34:32 caolanm: did some tests but can't figure out how this-source-file works. what was your need for it already? 17:35:21 LeoNerd: I suppose A and B select a specific one of the two arguments (and the "not" variants its negation) ? What are true, false, <, <=, >=, and > ? 17:35:49 taylanub: r6rs added boolean=? presumably for completeness 17:35:56 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-157-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:00 true and false are constants; the others are the imply variants. 17:36:57 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:48 Are the constants binary ?.. 17:39:50 Not really.. they're sortof.. degenerate cases. 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(let ([variable expression]) (sub-expression)) 21:40:57 Use of [] is a non-standard extension that some Schemes understand, some don't 21:41:00 i always get Error: illegal character read #\[ 21:41:06 ah 21:41:12 does scheme48 even allow square brackets? in racket, [] is interchangeable with () 21:41:24 i guess it does not 21:41:29 it's just a visual aid 21:41:39 visual AIDS 21:41:48 heh 21:42:19 if you get visual aids, you've been looking in the wrong places 21:43:36 is racket better to learn scheme with than scheme48 (since it seems to support more language constructs)? 21:45:16 depends 21:48:34 cohn: Racket is good for beginners. 21:48:50 yea, seems much better documented for one 21:48:54 A number of textbooks use it, for started. 21:48:59 s/started/starters/ 21:49:08 I recommend http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/index.html 21:49:33 Excellent freely available textbook. 21:49:37 i've been working through: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/ 21:49:44 but hit a snag with brackets in scheme48 21:49:45 :D 21:49:58 IIRC, there's also a Coursera course using it that's just started. 21:50:07 oh? that could be fun 21:50:23 https://www.coursera.org/course/programdesign 21:50:23 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-7-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:50:58 By Gregor Kiczales, famous for CLOS, the MOP book, AOP, etc. And an excellent teacher, too. 21:51:16 -!- sobber [~sobber@c-89-233-236-98.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:20 looks like i just missed the start date 21:52:00 Hmm. There may be videos online from the previous iteration. 21:52:18 yea, i'll look around 21:52:21 thanks! 21:53:04 Here are some more videos, though some may be a bit advanced: https://github.com/plt/racket/wiki/Videos 21:53:30 Feel free to join the #racket channel, too. Sometimes it's faster to get answers there. 21:53:41 ok, will do 21:53:49 Also, if you're in the Boston area, Racketcon is next weekend. 21:54:10 good to know 21:54:17 probably won't be able to make that 21:54:41 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:46 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 21:54:55 -!- guest-5150 [3294a258@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.148.162.88] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55:13 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has joined #scheme 21:55:37 that coursera class is pretty good 21:55:39 but very basic 21:55:55 sort of boring for a while, really :) 21:56:41 I should create a graph of average climate simulation inaccuracy 21:57:05 ehaliewicz: It makes sense to be pretty basic, since it just started. ;) 21:57:06 since it seems to be going up 21:57:29 IME teaching HTDP, it bores some students in the beginning, but ramps up quickly. 21:57:48 how hard it is to transition to Lisp after learning scheme? 21:58:13 impossible to answer 21:58:36 "lisp" and "scheme" each refer to a bazillion different languages 21:58:41 also I don't know how smart you are 21:58:42 well 21:58:44 not scheme 21:58:59 scheme is really limited to the scheme standards, which are all quite similar 21:59:00 i thought scheme was just a dialect of lisp 21:59:04 well 21:59:06 scheme is like lisp 21:59:16 except it defaults to lexical scope 21:59:17 they share parenthesis... :D 21:59:29 cohn: why not try it and see? 21:59:34 and has a somewhat simpler model of execution 21:59:39 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:47 other than that though, they're fairly similar lambda languages 21:59:52 I think you're asking "is it worth my while to learn language X", which again, we cannot answer. 21:59:55 cohn: have you learned either? 22:00:06 (Unless the language is so laughably awful that we can warn you away from it) 22:00:06 I mean 22:00:08 offby1: i definitely plan to, but can't for a while. I'm taking a programming languages course and I have to use scheme to solve a problem 22:00:13 have you learned any lispoid language? 22:00:19 oh 22:00:21 i've always wanted to learn lisp so i figure this is a great motivator 22:00:22 then just learn scheme 22:00:26 to solve your problem 22:00:29 ya 22:00:35 and if you want to look around a bit more 22:00:37 i'll conquer lisp when the time comes 22:00:39 Guile is a great scheme environment 22:00:45 yep 22:00:46 has lots of libraries 22:00:50 racket is great 22:00:57 scheme is also great for abstracting low-level programs 22:01:00 add^_ [~user@m176-70-215-99.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 22:01:11 with a system like chibi or guile you can wrap C code 22:01:16 which is something I do a lot of these days 22:01:17 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:50 Other lisps are a bit unwieldy for this sort of work, I find. 22:02:09 so, no common lisp? 22:02:27 I personally don't like it 22:02:30 Your Mileage May Vary of course 22:02:51 i've only played around with clisp a little 22:03:02 don't know enough to have an opinion 22:03:16 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:07:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:43 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:13:46 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:13:47 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 22:19:38 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-50-136-206-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:25:50 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has joined #scheme 22:30:29 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.61.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:32:05 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:45 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 22:43:26 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: alice.] 22:53:47 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-215-99.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:00 -!- samth [~samth@racket/samth] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08:30 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:53 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:26:47 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:27:09 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:35:15 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:35:23 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD63B02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:39:53 «stamourv``> cohn: Racket is good for beginners.» not only I guess! :) 23:40:06 -!- ypyf` [~user@59.38.142.119] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:44 ypyf` [~user@59.38.142.119] has joined #scheme 23:41:43 I'm learning Racket by solving euler problems, and sometimes when I just use racket/base I try guile or chicken, and both are slower (no troll, just fact with _my_ programs) 23:42:32 maybe I don't use the power of both /o\ 23:46:24 fridim__: Agreed, Racket is not just for beginners. :) 23:46:33 And yes, it's pretty fast too.