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(list-tail l n) x) is one way -- though perhaps you should try not to. 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For a symbol syntax abc you get a symbol. For a list syntax (1 abc 2.3) you get a pair. For a string syntax "Hello" you get a string. etc. 12:49:08 tylergoza [~tylergoza@72.29.34.246] has joined #scheme 12:51:01 gleag: maybe progessional programmer, already know c/c++ and a little bit of lisp 12:51:30 ogamita: thanks 12:52:49 teleScope: In that case, you could probably go for SICP. Although How to Design Programs has really never hurt anyone; even people with experience often say "that's how I should have been doing things from the start, why wasn't I taught this?". 12:53:23 Right now, the most confusing thing about HtDP for me is that the first edition is old and the second edition is incomplete. 12:53:56 And of course, Greg Kiczales is running his own HtDP derivative on Coursera right now that you're welcome to try. :) 12:54:11 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 12:54:26 gleag: I am currently learning scheme "The scheme programming language" (Fourth edition) 12:54:28 https://www.coursera.org/course/programdesign 12:54:31 *with 12:54:51 s/gleag/teleScope/ 12:55:24 That's a good book, although probably quite Chez-specific. 12:55:57 chez? 12:56:21 samth [~samth@129-79-241-204.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 12:56:24 ah the scheme implementation 12:56:46 I am using chicken scheme and I didn't have any problems so far 12:56:59 teleScope: You're certainly welcome to do the Coursera course and then jump into SICP or something like that. 12:57:25 It has already started but it's something like one missed graded quiz right now. 12:58:29 Nothing to worry about. And the peer-graded exercises are a lot of fun. :) One gets to see the Scheme code and patterns of thinking of many other learners. Quite enlightening. 12:58:51 (Sorry for the advertisement. :)) 13:00:07 gleag: i read The scheme programming language before, but it's hard for me, some features are not explained in the first chapters, but the author use it anyway. 13:00:12 nmeum: IIRC, 4th edition covers R6RS. CHICKEN implements R5RS. The 3rd edition uses R5RS, I think. 13:03:59 Watching the SICP course videos from MIT's open course library isn't bad either. Writing code with pen and paper makes you learn patience.. 13:05:30 mario-goulart: I only read the 2nd chapter so far but haven't noticed a thing with chicken 13:06:03 cool 13:16:44 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 13:18:09 ebzzry [~ebzzry@112.203.247.67] has joined #scheme 13:19:33 -!- ebzzry__ [~ebzzry@112.203.247.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:37:50 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c1fw224.constantcontact.com] has joined #scheme 14:01:19 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:01:51 -!- lazyden [~lazyden@58.185.121.38] has quit [Quit: lazyden] 14:07:53 zenoli [~pk@109.201.154.178] has joined #scheme 14:20:13 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317373.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 14:20:53 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:27:55 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:55 stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qeqxigtkoxwbummx] has joined #scheme 14:38:29 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #scheme 14:40:36 ijp [~user@host86-141-181-235.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 14:41:44 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:42:03 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:45:53 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 14:51:41 rins [~aaron@38.88.168.154] has joined #scheme 14:53:41 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 15:06:03 Isp-sec [~palach@95-27-118-109.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 15:09:39 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 15:12:55 walter|r [~walter@c-98-216-15-111.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:13:14 -!- walter [~walter@c-98-216-15-111.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:14 -!- stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qeqxigtkoxwbummx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:47 -!- jkraemer [jkraemer@nat/google/x-lqkcfxxwihzlyfrb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:25 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18:51 boycottg00gle [~user@stgt-5f719571.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 15:19:28 -!- Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:19:31 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 15:20:37 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:20:54 Kruppe [~jcp@laforge.cs.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 15:24:09 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28:45 jkraemer [jkraemer@nat/google/x-akscbuchcfrosnqz] has joined #scheme 15:32:39 RiderShen [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has joined #scheme 15:33:53 the_tree [~the_tree@156-56-137-156.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 15:34:00 hello 15:34:37 if anyone knows how to use the random procedure, i could use some help lol 15:35:47 -!- Guest24732 [~Yang@60.191.2.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:37:23 stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uekbiofqitvjunqf] has joined #scheme 15:38:39 anyone? 15:38:54 what dont' you understand about it? 15:39:40 Im trying to figure out how to make a procedure that gives me a random number between two numbers. but it cant have any arguments 15:41:27 okay, but that doesn't answer my question 15:41:38 I have no idea how it works to be hoenst 15:41:52 and you read the documentation? 15:43:04 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:43:32 I can't find any documentation for it 15:43:45 I find that very hard to believe 15:44:18 the_tree: it probably returns a random number between 0 (or 1) and some power of two. look in your manual, or guess, and program accordingly 15:56:23 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 15:59:23 trust me. for my computer science class there is no manual, there is nothing. they just ask us to makethe program and hope we have any idea how to use it 16:01:10 more likely is, you didn't pay attention 16:02:19 which scheme implementation is your class using? 16:02:35 if it isn't a homegrown one, there will be a manual online 16:03:26 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:03 trust me, i pay attention. he goes over broad ideas, not certain procedures. we are using Scheme, homegrown I suppose. Ive looked for an hour on line for anything that can explain random and there is nothing 16:05:47 yeah right 16:06:13 What's going on? 16:06:49 Does your class have a web site? 16:07:18 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:07:26 the_tree: here's the thing, if it is a homegrown scheme, then since 'random' isn't a standard procedure, it could have any interface your teacher desired 16:07:31 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-151-162.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07:44 you are literally asking for us to tell you how to use a program we have no knowledge of, or access to 16:08:16 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-156-65.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:08:28 how it USUALLY works, is it takes an integer N, and returns a number between 0 and N-1, inclusive 16:08:54 yeah thats what it does for me 16:08:56 but you would have learned this if you paid attention, learned what program you were using, googled 16:09:05 oh fuck off 16:09:21 your teacher is almost certainly not a sadist, they aren't there to fuck you over 16:09:43 ijp, you could stand to be a little less aggressively condescending. 16:10:01 Riastradh: this is worse than a homework question 16:10:06 my teacher spent the entire class yesterday teaching us how to write a conditional statement. he didnt once talk about using random to do something. 16:10:30 and you know as well as I do how people love to pretend their Uni professor is out to get them 16:11:12 Perhaps so, but now it sounds like you're out to get him too. Is that an improvement to the situation? 16:11:43 kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 16:12:20 the_tree, you'll have to provide some more information if you want anyone here to answer. For example, does your class have a web site? Are there any key words about the software you're using or textbook you're reading? 16:12:41 Well from what I have seen, your random does what my random does. now my question is, how do you make it so when it generates a random integer between 0 and n-1, it starts at 1 instead? 16:13:01 I don't want it to include 0 in the outcome 16:13:05 Riastradh: it is very hard to be sympathetic when the first result on google for 'scheme random' explains this behaviour 16:13:22 it doesnt actually 16:13:55 Explains which behaviour? I've seen procedures called RANDOM in various different contexts that work in various different ways. 16:14:08 top result: mit scheme manual, 4th result racket manual, 5th result chicken schem manual 16:14:55 that goes over the general purpose of Random and what is used for but doesnt answer my problem, i have read all of them 16:15:04 thats what ive been doing for 2 horus now 16:15:24 Have you gone to your class's office hours and asked for help there? 16:16:03 if you want a different start number, you can add that to the result, and change the argument to random, to compensate 16:18:14 Gotta run. *poof* 16:18:40 -!- the_tree [~the_tree@156-56-137-156.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Quit: irc2go] 16:25:09 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:47 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #scheme 16:32:24 es917 [~es@149.142.141.76] has joined #scheme 16:34:54 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 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