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[~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-17.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 17:00:24 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 17:12:35 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 17:21:22 mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 17:25:15 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:32 -!- bowmanb [~bowmanb@38.98.105.130] has left #scheme 17:29:09 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:44 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 17:33:19 bja [~bja@c-98-222-22-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:33:34 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:57 will this (lambda (a . b) ....) work with an arbitrary number of args? 17:35:29 e.g. ( (lambda (a. b) ...) u v w x y z) 17:35:39 I think a = u and b = (v w x y z) ? 17:35:58 no wait 17:36:08 i don't think a list is packaged for the b 17:36:53 it will work with 1 or more 17:37:09 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:13 rudybot: ((lambda (a . b) (list a b)) 'u 'v 'w 'x 'y 'z) 17:37:13 ijp: ; Value: '(u (v w x y z)) 17:37:21 rudybot: ((lambda (a . b) (list a b))) 17:37:21 ijp: error: #: arity mismatch; the expected number of arguments does not match the given number expected: at least 1 given: 0 17:37:36 rudybot: ((lambda (a . b) (list a b)) 'the-only-one) 17:37:36 ijp: ; Value: '(the-only-one ()) 17:37:38 ijp: nice 17:38:40 ijp: so basically dot notation is one way to have a func accept arbitrary number or arguments! 17:38:50 yes 17:38:58 ijp: is that the only way? (reason i'm asking is I'm not a fan of dot notation) 17:39:18 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:24 if you need 0 or more arguments ((lambda all-of-them-om-nom all-of-them-om-nom) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) 17:39:28 rudybot: ((lambda all-of-them-om-nom all-of-them-om-nom) 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) 17:39:28 ijp: ; Value: '(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10) 17:39:40 theseb: it is the only _standard_ way 17:40:38 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96BB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:53 in, say, guile, you could do (lambda* (a #:rest b) (list a b)) 17:41:20 ASau [~user@p4FF96BB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:43:11 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:44:46 tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has joined #scheme 17:44:51 rudybot: ( (lambda a a) 1 2 3 4 ) 17:44:51 theseb: your sandbox is ready 17:44:51 theseb: ; Value: '(1 2 3 4) 17:45:15 ijp: wow.....you're awesome 17:45:24 ijp: all you need to do is have 1 var 17:45:29 I keep telling people that, but they never listen 17:45:52 ijp: inside your lambda you can do car's and cdr's etc to peel off whatever you want 17:46:25 ijp: then all this dotted notation and lambda* and #:rest stuff is UNNECESSARY! 17:46:29 you could, but I would suggest using the existing (lambda (var1 var2 .... varn) ...), unless you have reason to do otherwise 17:46:45 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af437e8.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:46:59 dkordic [~danilo@93-87-124-217.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #scheme 17:47:32 ijp: won't what you said... (lambda (var1 var2 .... varn) ...) enforce only n args? 17:48:15 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:48:15 yes 17:48:52 ijp: so if you want arbitrary numbers of args..say for a macro.....you must chose the nice 1 arg lambda or some of the other funky syntactic sugar we've been talking about 17:49:03 ijp: i'd rather avoid the funky junk for macros and just use 1 arg 17:49:17 it doesn't always make sense to accept an arbitrary number of arguments 17:49:44 what should (car) or (car a b) return? 17:50:07 ijp: if a = (1 2 3 4) then (car a) would return 1 17:50:20 so you'd just ignore them? 17:50:20 not sure why you'd want to do (car) or (car a b) 17:50:31 theseb: this is what I am saying 17:51:20 ijp: is your point that you can't take a car of an atom? 17:51:25 no 17:51:51 not sure what you mean then 17:52:17 I'm saying it doesn't make sense for car to take 0 arguments, nor for it to take 2 or more 17:52:29 i would agree with that 17:52:29 this is true, not just of car, but most functions you will write 17:52:52 so don't go overboard with the rest args 17:54:12 k 17:59:36 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:03:15 Fe [~l@84.233.246.170] has joined #scheme 18:03:46 -!- Fe [~l@84.233.246.170] has left #scheme 18:04:27 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has joined #scheme 18:10:18 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:15:50 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 18:16:04 except for name clash concerns....macros are really just like normal lambda functions right? they really don't seem that hard now 18:16:37 the only thing "special" about them is they get run before expressions are passed to the interpreter/evaluator 18:16:52 the actual big difference is evaluation order 18:17:33 ijp: what do you mean? 18:17:35 functions evaluate their arguments, macros do not 18:17:52 (foo (+ 1 2 3) (list 4 5)) 18:18:07 ijp: ah yes...i forgot about that 18:18:11 if foo is a function, it will evaluate (+ 1 2 3) to 6, and (list 4 5) to (4 5) 18:18:21 if foo is a macro, it sees two forms (+ 1 2 3) and (list 4 5) 18:19:16 ijp: if someone uses a macro before it is defined that's an error right? 18:19:32 ijp: i guess what i'm asking is....does the placement of the macro def in a program matter? 18:19:44 ijp: seems you'd want them at they very beginning always no 18:19:45 ? 18:19:47 i still didn't get the non-exhaustive-stack implementation of the nlet in lol 18:20:28 samth [~samth@129-79-241-204.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 18:21:02 it returns a form where the args are set via psetq in the body and the tail is just recursin over that body via tagbody go 18:21:17 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:21:17 how is that savin stack ? 18:21:28 theseb: not really 18:21:56 s/set/bound/ rather 18:22:46 ijp: so if you put a macro def at the very end the evalator must look ahead, get the def, go back to beginning and use it for entire program? 18:22:56 ijp: freaky 18:24:43 well, there are some subtleties, I'm really not the best person to explain this 18:27:07 ijp: k, thanks again for your help 18:30:09 vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:33:16 Belaf1 [~campedel@net-93-144-5-112.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 18:33:32 chrisirc [~chrisirc@static.206.51.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 18:34:54 Hi. I'm looking for a function that groups items in a list. I've written a (list-group-by lis less?) that sorts lis according to less? and returns a list of sublists with items that are equal according to less?, 18:35:09 now I wonder whether that's a good name, and more so, whether there's something better elsewhere. 18:35:32 generally, list functions don't get a list- prefix 18:35:44 Hm, yeah perhaps you're right. 18:36:06 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-40-30-182.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36:51 wait, with items less than 18:37:03 that's weird 18:37:57 sorry, misread 18:38:18 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:09 -!- Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ripp__] 18:39:27 chrisirc: why are you using less than, rather than equality 18:39:28 rudybot: (require unstable/list) 18:39:29 stamourv: your sandbox is ready 18:39:29 stamourv: Done. 18:39:46 ijp, because that's necessary for sorting 18:39:48 rudybot: (group-by = '(1 1 2 3 5 2 34)) 18:39:49 stamourv: ; Value: '((34) (3) (5) (2 2) (1 1)) 18:39:55 chrisirc: ^ 18:40:09 hu. Where is that defined? 18:40:24 (Note: this is in an unstable library, so the interface could change. In fact, this one is likely to change soon.) 18:40:29 rudybot: (require unstable/list) 18:40:55 chrisirc: so don't sort 18:41:12 hrm. 18:41:22 rudybot: doc group-by 18:41:22 ski: http://docs.racket-lang.org/unstable/list.html#(def._((lib._unstable%2Flist..rkt)._group-by)) 18:41:27 Dangerous stuff. 18:43:43 hmm, the function I have by the name of group-by in my personal list library does "mississipi" -> ("m" "i" "ss" "i" "ss" "i" "p" "i") rather than ("m" "iiii" "ssss" "p") [using strings as shorthand for lists of chars] 18:44:19 naming is hard 18:44:32 Well, fair enough. 18:45:46 (I actually have that function, too, calling it (sortedlist-group-by lis equal?). :) ) 18:45:52 Agent-P [~fk5oxid3@ce1.net.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #scheme 18:45:57 -!- Agent-P [~fk5oxid3@ce1.net.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:15 ah, I called your function 'segregate' 18:46:37 Aha. 18:46:41 a thesaurus is an important programming tool 18:47:36 ijp: +1 18:48:09 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:48:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:10 ijp, What's the 'prototype' of your function, same as mine, (segregate lis less?) ? 18:50:52 equality, rather than less, and yes, it's really slow 18:51:02 I don't think I used it more than 3 times 18:51:39 -!- tiksa [~tiksa@gateway/tor-sasl/tiksa] has quit [Quit: Pozdrav] 18:51:41 Aha. Well it does either need a less?, or a hashing function, to be performant. 18:53:21 done_the_dew [~user@2601:1:bf00:850:a1c1:c0d2:82d3:c791] has joined #scheme 18:53:21 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD923C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:54:00 taylanub [tub@p4FD917A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:57:05 jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:59:44 samth_ [~samth@149.160.161.114] has joined #scheme 19:00:11 Ripp__ [~textual@c-67-180-16-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:00:25 -!- samth [~samth@129-79-241-204.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09:10 -!- youlysses [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09:47 gleag__ [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 19:11:52 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:11:55 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:11:55 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 19:12:31 -!- gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:10 gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 19:16:45 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 19:17:01 -!- gleag__ [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:18:22 hm, an alternative might be "partition", wrt an equivalence relation 19:18:53 -!- cruxeternus [cruxtech@secspeed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:58 well, that one has a common use already 19:19:05 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 19:19:05 ijp: your sandbox is ready 19:19:05 ijp: Done. 19:19:27 rudybot: (partition even? 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21:07:24 *ybit* has been afk for about a week 21:07:29 ybit: see topic 21:07:55 ah, phew, gracias leppie 21:08:02 ;p 21:15:06 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:17:46 derp, maybe it wasn't in this channel 21:18:09 ski: you responded i know that 21:19:33 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-18-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:42 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:44 cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-206-241.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 21:24:57 ybit : ? 21:27:22 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:29:41 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29:55 that's the one... 21:31:03 hah https://gist.github.com/heath/a0c2fc1685b02105ff79 21:31:19 2013.08.27.txt isn't downloaded for some odd reason 21:31:35 anyways, thank you 21:32:30 this is part of my quest for the smallest turing equivalent language known 21:33:16 ybit: you missed the paper on the the MOV assebly instruction then ;p 21:33:23 ybit: Brainfuck? 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