00:00:56 carleastlund: thanks. 00:22:30 -!- pumpkin360 [~main@agec117.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #scheme 00:23:50 pumpkin360 [~main@agec117.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 00:33:14 nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-173-63-24-234.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:33:43 -!- nugnuts [~nugnuts@pool-173-63-24-234.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:29 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:22 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:07:53 Would be greatful for pointing out what I did wrong here - http://bpaste.net/show/117133/ 01:10:14 In the recursive call to (all #f #f #f), x is the list (#f #f #f), so (all (cdr x)) is (all (cdr '(#f #f #f))) which is (all '(#f #f)), which is probably not what you intended. 01:11:20 Riastradh: so cdar should work ? 01:11:32 -!- davexunit [~user@c-71-232-35-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Later] 01:11:42 Riastradh: no, sorry. 01:11:58 why not just (apply and x)? 01:12:15 defanor_: and isn't a function, you can't pass it to apply 01:12:22 ouch 01:12:49 pumpkin360, cdar won't work at all in this case, let alone work to do what you intend! 01:14:10 Riastradh: don't understand? I should give up with the idea is what You mean? I guess I will just create an inner function which will work on a list. 01:15:21 rudybot: eval (cdar '(#f #f #f)) 01:15:21 Riastradh: your sandbox is ready 01:15:21 Riastradh: error: cdar: contract violation expected: (cons/c pair? any/c) given: '(#f #f #f) 01:16:44 Riastradh: yeah, @ 3:11:42 already noticed it won't work at all. It's getting late and thinking gets harder (excuses).\ 01:17:08 An inner procedure which works on a list is a good idea. 01:17:37 If you really want to use ANY and ALL recursively, you want to use them with APPLY in order to transmit the elements of the list as separate arguments, rather than as a single argument that is a list. 01:18:18 Carl said that it won't work. 01:18:27 not sure why though. 01:18:27 No, he said that (apply and x) won't work. 01:19:08 and if it will be in the and definition it will ? 01:19:38 rudybot: eval (apply and '(#f #f #f)) 01:19:39 Riastradh: error: #:1:7: and: bad syntax in: and 01:20:53 btw, you could just use and instead of all, i suppose 01:21:04 if you don't need to apply it 01:21:11 or pass, or something 01:21:50 not important anymore anyway - made the inner procedure. It is beautiful how easy are things like this to implement in scheme. How should I name the inner procedure? In places where I can't think of a name for a procedure I use "iter" but it makes not sens here :( 01:22:09 I usually call it `loop'. 01:22:19 (let loop ((x x)) (if (pair? x) ...)) 01:22:30 loop is better, thanks. 01:23:13 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:31 is it much worst to use "define" to make small inner procedures ? 01:23:37 *shrug* 01:24:05 `apply-all' might be an alternative, in the case of `all' 01:24:09 Usually I prefer named LET unless there is a need for multiple procedures. 01:25:15 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:25:17 (with the intension that `(apply-all truth-values)' means the same as `(apply all truth-values)') 01:25:18 i'm using inner defines just when it looks nicer than let 01:27:11 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:39 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:31:57 I still have some problems with it, I bet that they are type conversion problem. 01:32:15 but will will think about it in the morning. 01:32:19 good night. 01:32:46 night 01:35:32 can't sleep. Curiosity is a bad thing. On default everythin except 0 and null is true ? 01:35:57 (by the means of R5RS) 01:36:16 actualy, I can check that :p 01:36:17 no 01:36:31 everything except `#f' is counted as a true value 01:37:23 ok. That solves all my doubts. 01:37:23 thanks. 01:38:08 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@21.Red-95-122-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:44 rudybot: eval (map (lambda (x) (if x #t #f)) (list #f #t 0 0.0 't 'nil (void))) 01:38:45 ski_: ; Value: '(#f #t #t #t #t #t #t) 01:41:47 -!- pumpkin360 [~main@agec117.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41:51 fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 01:42:20 es [~estevocas@21.Red-95-122-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:42:20 -!- es is now known as estevocastro 01:44:07 jcowan [~John@173.13.139.236] has joined #scheme 01:45:03 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@21.Red-95-122-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:45:37 ahoy hoy 01:45:41 or even two hoys 01:50:57 Well, ahoy hoy has two, and two hoys has one, so something must be wrong with both of them. 01:51:08 Not both hoys, but both ahoys. 01:52:13 Two eggs are cheaper than one, but if you buy two, you must eat both. 01:56:02 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-135-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:56:57 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-184-247.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 02:05:31 supertool [~user@60.223.254.162] has joined #scheme 02:07:23 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 02:07:41 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 02:11:19 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:14:42 Gooder [~user@68.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has joined #scheme 02:16:42 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 02:20:00 -!- jcowan [~John@173.13.139.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:30 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #scheme 02:44:01 -!- supertool [~user@60.223.254.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:41 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:51:57 random question 02:52:10 Can I give a random answer? 02:52:15 actually, forget it 02:52:25 But but I never knew it to begin with! 02:53:12 okay, it was how far along did they stop actually implementing let in terms of lambda 02:53:22 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 02:54:44 (now that I think of it.. how *could* you implement letrec in terms of lambda?) 02:56:30 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 03:13:00 zRecursive [~czsq888@118.112.157.36] has joined #scheme 03:20:13 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:21:00 thanks for whoever suggested racket 03:21:02 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:22:41 no prob, xilo! 03:23:05 carleastlund: liking it better than what i saw in chicken/guile 03:23:21 glad it's working out for you, then 03:23:32 bokr [~ed@109.110.50.199] has joined #scheme 03:25:17 Betawolf [betawolf@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:5300] has joined #scheme 03:25:34 question 03:26:02 answer 03:26:09 -!- bokr [~ed@109.110.50.199] has quit [Client Quit] 03:26:26 it's correct that with exceptions in R7RS-small, I don't have to save the exact VM instruction that the exception occurred on, just the *next* one, if all automatic exceptions caused by VM instructions (as opposed to the raise and raise-continuable functions) are not continuable? 03:26:37 bokr [~ed@109.110.50.199] has joined #scheme 03:27:39 -!- bokr [~ed@109.110.50.199] has quit [Client Quit] 03:28:03 also, guard expressions can be implemented as lambdas with a scope of where they are defined, right? (despite what I've heard about exception handlers "being executed in the context where the exception occur") 03:28:08 racket is big and slow, isnot it ? 03:29:10 zRecursive: used to be slow before it got a JIT compiler, now it's pretty fast at a lot of things. 03:29:54 Is JIT transparent to user ? 03:30:38 Yep. 03:30:56 great 03:31:08 :) 03:31:44 *zRecursive* in fact i just wrote some Guile script :-D 03:32:59 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:33:50 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 03:33:53 okay, R7RS-small question 03:33:56 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:34:02 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:34:23 when a secondary exception is raised when an exception handler called by raise returns, does it use the same object passed to raise or a different object? 03:34:51 and also, should the 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08:29:37 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 08:30:00 ecraven: chicken can use LLVM (with C as intermediate language), it is forced to do so on Mac OS X 08:30:39 no JIT though 08:32:35 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 08:33:07 so it doesn't actually use LLVM-the-library but rather clang-the-compiler, right? 08:34:18 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #scheme 08:34:36 ecraven: yes, it was not clear to me what you are referring to by "LLVM", as most people think of the C compiler when asking about it. 08:37:47 I didn't know about the exact distinction either until a few days ago :) 08:40:39 Oh LLVM is a nice compiler toolbox 08:41:58 It would be interesting to generate LLVM IR code and have that JIT-compiled in a Scheme system :) 08:45:34 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 08:55:38 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02:54 -!- waxysubs 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Slime or geiser? 23:07:09 i guess my question is, "is there a recommended way for a total noob" 23:07:12 vi 23:07:18 call-cc.org 23:07:20 anxt: http://gitorious.org/geiser/mbenkards-mainline/blobs/b1d8ffcb080e24a96ffd6b06c9f12e3f05db3a77/elisp/geiser-chicken.el ? 23:07:21 http://tinyurl.com/kemhtoz 23:09:32 anxt: Assuming you have geiser installed already (preferably through elpa), loading this file should be a trivial way to get it working. 23:10:29 i don't youlysses 23:10:35 _total_ noob 23:10:49 thats OK, i will figure it out. 23:10:57 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:10:58 anxt: Do you know how to use Elpa at-all? 23:11:42 anxt: It's like 2-3 steps, if you can't figure out man -- tell me. :^P 23:12:34 yes, i have used elpa i think 23:12:40 is that like marmalade? 23:12:57 anxt: That's a repo for it, yes. 23:13:44 M-x elpa-install geiser? 23:14:28 anxt: Well, it should be "package-install", but yes. 23:15:00 its not listed. i probably need to add a repo or something. 23:15:17 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:15:24 i am gonna go microwave my curry deer 23:15:30 anxt: What isn't the package or the package-install command? 23:17:20 the package. at least it wont tab complete for me :) 23:18:07 anxt: Idk, maybe it's not in marmalade. I know it's in the "official" GNU one and too in "Melpa". :^P 23:18:40 jvc [~jvc@125.39.68.34] has joined #scheme 23:20:54 this is some hot curry. second time the deer didn't know what hit it ;) 23:21:05 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:33 *youlysses* thinks he's had curry 2x. 23:21:47 -!- jvc [~jvc@125.39.68.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:59 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #scheme 23:26:02 tabemann [~travisb@adsl-68-254-170-180.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 23:26:20 youlysses: there is a solution for that. 23:26:37 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:26:56 anxt: Do you live and/or exposed to a cultural background where such-a thing is more common, or? 23:27:38 Midwestern American here, born and raised -- that really doesn't present the opportunity that often, to experience such things. :^P 23:28:28 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:32 youlysses: i am just a redneck who grew up with filipino nannies cooking for me, so i sorta grew fond of asian food 23:28:47 cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has joined #scheme 23:29:26 anxt: Isn't curry more-often found in/around Indian culture -- or am I just being an "Ugly American"? :^P 23:30:01 well i am thinking asia as in india too 23:30:23 that is the definition 23:30:35 you are probably thinking "south east asian" 23:31:05 i dunno what you would call this 23:31:26 its probably india curry with old coffee cream, and some cherry tomatos in it 23:31:30 and deer 23:31:43 thats like, umm... multicultural? 23:31:43 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:31:44 anxt: Probably, I'm quite ignorant of world-geology ... though that's something I acknowledge and hope to work-on someday... :^P 23:31:59 In britain 'asian' typically refers to pakistani/indian. In the states, it's south-east asian. 23:31:59 well you are american, so its expected. 23:32:14 anxt: Isn't deer hunting season over, or at least close by now...? 23:32:32 i have a freezer 23:32:58 its pretty old deer, hence wrapping it in curry so i don't taste the freezer 23:33:02 lul 23:33:35 oh i cooked it in a wok though. 23:33:44 anxt: Fair-enough, I was just wondering generally. I'm midwestern with a lot of southern family (I'm from the half of my family which never hunts, the other do it constantly. :^P) 23:33:51 -!- cjh` [chris@66.228.41.158] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:34:00 and i think the grease was mostly lard, so thats like kentucky :) 23:34:49 see the discussion went of topic a little bit, but that's good because I won't feel guilty to ask my off-topic question. Did anyone have the (doubtly) pleasure to solve pells equations ? 23:34:57 *off 23:35:01 Cromulent|2 [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 23:35:27 oh yeah, i was gonna learn some scheme. 23:36:35 anxt: Oh, Scheme in-general is more-or-less new to you? :^) 23:36:49 i just made a hello world 23:37:29 new as in, i watch abelson for a few hours, and decided "hells yeah" 23:37:40 i don't even know elisp 23:37:49 anxt: Ah, are you learning to read SICP, or just for personal fun/pleasure. 23:37:59 scheme is awesome. 23:38:11 well i am going through SICP, mostly for the hell of it. 23:38:26 then again i am a CS student, and a programmer, so its not a terrible idea anyways. 23:38:36 youlysses: reading SICP is personal pleasure, isn't it ? 23:39:06 i would call it simply pleasure 23:39:14 personal pleasure is different. 23:39:24 pumpkin360: Assuming you love to hack and/or theory. If you're not at-all interested in compsci, I'd imagine not. :^P 23:40:32 hi 23:40:36 hi 23:40:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@179.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:43:28 youlysses: curry's a part of Thai cuisine and has been imported into Japanese culture and elsewhere too. 23:43:54 *asumu* just had curry for dinner, so coincidentally relevant conversation here 23:44:58 asumu: I'll take you're word for it. I just remember having Curry, given to me by an Indian kid in my class in HS, at an "end of the year" party thing-- where we were supposed to bring "cultural based" dishes. :^P 23:45:04 (I meant in addition to India ^, of course. Also non-exhaustive list) 23:46:45 *pumpkin360* is getting hungry due to Your irrelevant offtopic discussions... 23:47:29 I have a lot of extra curry, but the IRC protocol doesn't support curry transfer yet. 23:47:30 pumpkin360: Let's write a recipe store/displayer in scheme! :^) 23:48:13 asumu: It does, you just need to get the new 3d-food printer series. 23:48:58 curry is sort of a catchall term anyways. 23:49:19 roughly means "spicy and delicious and makes you smelly" 23:49:27 anxt: As-much as "Ramen" in the American context? 23:49:50 It probably isn't the best time for a meal any way.. :( 23:50:22 pumpkin360: It's 7pm in Central US, where there? 23:50:27 *when 23:50:46 youlysses: 1:50 am here :) 23:50:56 i don't know if there is a single spice that all curries have 23:50:58 pumpkin360: Where's that? :^P 23:51:21 maybe cumin? 23:51:49 youlysses: In the middle of nowhere. The country is called Poland - invite anyone who would be visiting Europe :) 23:51:51 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #scheme 23:51:59 -!- Cromulent|2 [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:52:25 *youlysses* wonders if he still has family in Germany -- or-not. :^P 23:52:37 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD56A4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:52:51 i want to see warsaw one day 23:53:03 plus that underground cathedral 23:53:26 I had coconut curry soup last night 23:53:29 anxt: I'm from Cracow and we don't like Warsaw. There is nothing to see there. 23:53:39 heh 23:55:58 Juliusz Sowacki theatre looks rather epic 23:56:12 maybe that is where my next trip will be. 23:56:13 anxt: During the war they literally whiped it out, so the oldest buildings are like 100 years old. Come to Cracow, it is much nicer. (not sure if Warsaw isn't pretty haven't been there for like 5 years, but the 2 cities don't like each other so I had to upkeep the tradition of flaming each other)_ 23:57:33 copernicus was a pole? 23:57:39 yeah 23:57:48 i didn't know that actually. 23:57:48 Mikoaj Kopernik 23:57:59 are there any famous dancers? 23:58:13 don't know any 23:58:14 maybe i could go see some pole dancers 23:58:49 it is over 800 km between the two cities? 23:59:04 not sure but something like that 23:59:15 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:59:15 always thought it was like 500 23:59:19 will check 23:59:37 300 km 23:59:39 292 actually 23:59:41 yes 23:59:51 that is an afternoon train ride 23:59:58 noooo