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(make-gzip-decompress-port source-port) => gzip-decompressed-data-port 11:49:20 anyone? :) 11:49:26 give me a no please, if that's the case :)) 11:49:58 People are unliekly to say "no", because that implies they themself are some sort of authority on the matter 11:51:19 BW^-: I don't know any implementation providing such interface 11:51:29 BW^-: but it seems very easy to do 11:51:55 BW^-: you just have to provide all the parameters when making the port 11:53:23 It doesn't really make sense to make an HTTP port 11:53:35 A port is supposed to represent a byte stream. gzipped ports seem good though 12:04:37 lucasaiu: at the level of something-like-primitives, and including error handling, yes 12:04:54 leonerd: yeah and SSL ports 12:05:10 leonerd: http ports make sense too when you zoom out a bit: 12:05:21 if you generalize that streaming input comes in a "port", 12:05:27 SSL is useful, but a bit more complex 12:05:35 then any process like XML parsing or protocol parsing or whatever parsing would take a port as input 12:05:46 SSL has that most fun problem of read-requires-write and write-requires-read sometimes 12:05:51 i'm considering providing application-layer port support for Gambit 12:06:23 leonerd: yeah, though ultimately that ends up as part of the ssl channel logics, so it's of no concern to the SSL port user 12:06:37 Well.. depends what you want to do with it 12:06:45 For any sort of nonblocking support it gets trickier... 12:07:26 You have to be able to add new port types, and to have HTTP functionality implemented with ordinary functions. Making HTTP ports from these components looks easy. 12:08:21 Rack would be a typical implementationf or ahving some support for this already 12:08:29 am just l9ooking inspiration if there's ant 12:08:42 But a port is a readable/writable source of bytes.. characters. That's it. 12:08:53 HTTP doesn't -really- fit that. How do you read the headers? 12:08:59 yeah, /a/ primitive/s/ for providing fullblown application level ports is what i'm talking about 12:09:00 How do you POST params? 12:09:18 leonerd: POST is the request body, so that's the data stream 12:09:25 headers are most probably out of band indeed 12:09:31 though 12:09:38 you can always make more ports if needed of course 12:09:53 such as, a ZIP file abstraction can provide access through a port per file in the archive 12:10:09 just something simple and extremely performant 12:10:29 I ran into this issue in Gambit when implementing SSL support to the Sack web server middleweare 12:10:30 ware 12:10:35 Guile's soft ports seem suitable: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Soft-Ports.html 12:11:03 issue became that to do this, I needed to implement "io primitives" so that sack could eat both a SSL channel and a ordinary direct TCP port 12:11:07 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.165.89.11] has quit [Quit: Bye..] 12:11:22 the mature solution of course, is that for HTTPS provision, the TCP channel should be wrapped to a SSL channel port using the SSL module 12:11:29 and for this application layer ports are needed 12:11:33 lucasaiu: aha yeah 12:11:51 and when i got to that realization in such a conclusive way, a wider scope of applications for ports struck me too 12:11:56 gzip being the first one after SSL 12:12:01 though, performance is extremely important here 12:12:07 both for byte- and buffer-level accesses 12:12:19 currently Gambit's read-u8 scores 350KB/sec per CPU core 12:12:28 this needs to be ~25x:ed 12:12:44 which is easy really, it's a question of code inlining and possibly muxes use to get it up some 25x in performance 12:14:26 lucasaiu: are you aware of any more than Guile's? 12:14:31 well, i should read Rack dox :)) 12:14:35 might be some inspiration, always good 12:14:53 *Racket 12:16:25 BW^-: no, I'm much less familiar with the other systems than with Guile. However, I'd be surprised if many of them didn't provide some way of defining new port types. 12:16:28 (inlining as in, to start with, get around trampoliens) 12:16:40 lucasaiu: yeah question is just how good they are. 12:17:04 Gambit brings a bidirectional u8vector port that this kind of stuff can be implemented atop, issue is just that that Leaks Like Crazy 12:17:06 as an abstraction 12:17:14 communication of error and EOF states for isntance, you get it .. 12:17:38 also it enforces an unnecessary round of buffering and round through the IO scheduler 12:21:08 checking w CL too, apparently they have some stream concept they use for this 12:22:15 On Google "scheme define new \"port type\"" yields relevant results also for MIT/GNU Scheme, SISC, and Gauche (virtual ports). 12:23:11 Oh, I see that in Guile you can define new ports directly in C. Which is quite unsurprising, but might solve your efficiency and leaking concerns. 12:23:38 Of course ports should be explicitly closed. 12:23:40 lucasaiu: i want it all at scheme level 12:23:44 yeah 12:25:34 acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 12:26:14 -!- rage [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:28:21 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 12:38:02 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 12:41:05 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:42:22 jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:43:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:27 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:45:54 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1896:64db:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48:49 what "streams" DSL:s are there for Scheme? 12:49:50 -!- 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I would like to ask if anybody could advise me some book describing scheme macros? I'm in the process of reading SICP but from what I see in the table of content there is nothing about macros. 16:38:11 przl_ [~przlrkt@p5B298C4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 16:40:22 -!- elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:26 -!- cpach [~cpach@h125n2-veo-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:56 ijp` [~user@host109-151-48-237.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:40:56 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298C4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41:05 elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 16:41:51 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:41:58 cpach [~cpach@h125n2-veo-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #scheme 16:42:11 Blice_ [~blice@alrig.ht] has joined #scheme 16:42:19 hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 16:42:27 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 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