00:05:13 DrDuck: I've added a comment explaining the issues in my code, still at the same place. 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(car rest) ...) rest) 14:34:05 s/pairL/pair?/ 14:34:21 How is it odd? 14:35:04 I test whether or not rest is a pair 14:35:17 and only when it's a pair, does the car evaluate 14:35:21 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:23 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35:34 but when the car evaluates on rest, it's saying that it's not a pair 14:36:24 Perhaps you're binding rest inside the ... before the car? 14:36:33 or mutating it? 14:36:42 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 14:37:41 pjb: nope 14:38:10 some printf debugging reveals that it is not in-fact a pair 14:38:21 microcode: You should probably show us the whole code. 14:38:27 when pair? evaluates true, it's actually an instance of a class 14:38:34 Otherwise, we can't do much beyond guessing. 14:39:12 yeah, one sec 14:42:46 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:11 http://p.xqz.ca/54f4e 14:43:13 ^'ere 14:43:32 (this is using Guile with GOOPS) 14:44:40 Disclaimer: I don't know GOOPS, so I could be totally wrong. 14:44:43 I was trying to make a function to replace the dot operator used conveniently in other OOP environments 14:45:03 because that's fairly useful for some things 14:45:10 -!- lucasaiu [~user@fsf/member/lucasaiu] has left #scheme 14:45:15 You're doing `(slot-ref (car rest) (cadr rest))', what does that do? 14:45:31 slot-ref references a slot in a GOOPS object 14:45:32 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 14:45:44 lucasaiu [~user@fsf/member/lucasaiu] has joined #scheme 14:45:58 Ok, so you're looking up the `(cadr rest)' field of the `(car rest)' object? 14:46:05 the car makes the head of the rest the object from which we're referencing 14:46:08 If so, that doesn't make much sense to me. 14:46:28 and the cadr is the symbol we're using to reference the slot with slot-ref 14:46:42 Also, you checked that `rest' is a pair, which guarantees that it has a `car', but doesn't guarantee that it has a `cadr'. 14:47:03 yes, but it's car which is complaining at this point 14:47:15 thanks though 14:47:34 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #scheme 14:47:37 I sohuld be testing for list 14:47:40 also rest is optional, could be unbound 14:48:11 Why are you `apply'ing `deref' a the end of the body? Shouldn't that be `r'? 14:48:16 cadr gets compiled to (car (cdr x)) 14:48:26 so car complaining could be the cadr 14:48:32 anyway, use pattern matching instead 14:48:38 (add1 wingo) 14:49:35 hmm 14:49:39 (ice-9 match) in guile is the wright matcher 14:49:41 I guess 14:49:47 Also, disregard my comment about `r'. I was wrong. 14:49:58 http://ceaude.twoticketsplease.de/ <- DerGuteMoritz wrote about the wright matcher here 14:50:36 klrr [~klrr@88.129.148.162] has joined #scheme 14:50:39 basically, I want it to expand to slot-ref subobjects in objects continuously 14:50:59 like object.sub.property in most languages 14:51:05 a macro returns a proper expression that gets evaluated, macroexpand returns the that expr quoted? 14:51:09 (r object 'sub 'property) 14:52:16 the way to do that is recursively 14:52:27 (r (r object 'sub) 'property) 14:52:41 or is "r" your interface 14:52:56 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 14:53:12 anyway, have fun :) 14:53:13 klrr, it return the expantion of the macro without evaluation 14:53:29 what's the expantion? 14:53:56 macro: input -> output -> value, macroexpand input -> output 14:53:56 ? 14:54:02 the substitution of how you call it 14:54:09 wingo: I just like the cleanliness of one set of parens for this operation 14:54:18 I'll figure it out, thanks for the suggestions 14:54:33 klr, yes, 14:54:40 okey 14:54:42 perhaps a better solution is to push it into deeper levels in the object system ;) 14:55:03 im trying implementing macros in my lisp implementation ^^ 14:55:14 klrr, as you said, it didn't compute the value 14:55:29 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:55:32 thanks! :) now food bb 14:59:05 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-82-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:42 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.100.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:02:23 miql_ [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 15:09:20 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:11:02 -!- agumonkey [~agu@101.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:11:20 -!- copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has quit [Quit: checkity check out.] 15:12:45 copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has joined #scheme 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From chicken's interpreter it seems like it's a runtime error? 17:52:50 It could be either -- LET is not recursive, so it depends on whether the variable was bound in the enclosing environment. 17:52:56 developernotes [~developer@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 17:52:59 rudybot: eval (let ((a a)) a) 17:52:59 Riastradh: your sandbox is ready 17:53:00 Riastradh: error: a: undefined; cannot reference an identifier before its definition in module: 'program 17:53:13 rudybot: eval (let ((a 5)) (let ((a a)) a)) 17:53:14 Riastradh: ; Value: 5 17:55:50 the real issue I have is strange. I have to write a parser for a toy language in school. I think I will not attempt to make it a syntax error. 17:56:23 It should be a syntax error (or at least compiler error) to refer to a variable that is not bound. 17:57:09 -!- jrapdx1 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:00 I have to write the compiler later. Would it be easier to do it in the compiler or parser? I would think compiler but I have never done this before :) 17:58:17 Compiler, then. 17:58:59 thank you for helping 18:04:00 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 18:07:17 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.93.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:09:03 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:11:48 -!- viller [~chatzilla@26.217.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Iceweasel 21.0/20130503081050]] 18:14:51 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298C83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:15:07 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:16:26 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:18:12 zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 18:18:21 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 18:18:27 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD9363C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:50 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:35 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 18:27:35 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 18:32:56 taylanub [tub@p4FD9363C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:43:32 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:46:17 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-213.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:48:54 amgarching [~amgarchin@pD9E173EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:49:43 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 18:54:04 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:02:15 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:10:35 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:10:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-213.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:10:58 trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.104] has joined #scheme 19:12:21 -!- finnrobi [~robb@notlupus.info] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:16:19 finnrobi [~robb@notlupus.info] has joined #scheme 19:17:25 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:19:20 trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.104] has joined #scheme 19:20:19 rszeno [~rszeno@86.125.231.152] has joined #scheme 19:23:21 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36:51 -!- developernotes [~developer@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 19:38:07 developernotes [~developer@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 19:41:01 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:43:53 So is there a reason, besides performance, that most Scheme implementations are written in C? 19:44:22 Most of the world runs on C. 19:45:33 Riastradh: Well yes, but I'd still think that ideally, most implementations would be bootstraped in some manner to too be written in a scheme. :-P 19:46:51 Some Scheme implementations are written in Scheme and compile to native machine code, of course 19:48:04 LeoNerd: Well, I have no "issue" with that. Really I don't think I have that much of a problem at all with-it, just curious to any reasons outside that of performance and convenience. 19:48:12 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 19:48:26 If you want to talk to a world that talks C, you're going to have some C involved. 19:50:44 Riastradh: Well yes, even if it's just some bindings to a C based set of primitives. Even then though, that does not *make* it so for Guile and like systems to necessarily be mostly written in it. That being said, I think Guile might actually be a poor example, in-that it was/is designed to talk to and extend C programs... :-I 19:51:12 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:51:24 -!- miql_ [~miql@ip72-201-117-173.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57:51 youlysses, it's very uncommon for language implementations to be meta-circular. I've been working on such an implementation for a few years and it's much harder to do than writing an interpreter in C 20:00:30 jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:00:42 jewel, which one? 20:00:42 Very uncommon for language implementations to be metacircular? 20:00:45 jewel: So basically, it's arguably much harder to implement and most people don't care enough to put forth that effort? :-P 20:00:54 yes 20:01:01 Fair-enough. :-P 20:01:01 The majority of noteworthy Lisp systems (and C compilers) are metacircular. 20:02:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298C83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:03:38 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:09:11 Here's a Scheme-to-x86 compiler, written in Scheme: http://scheme2006.cs.uchicago.edu/11-ghuloum.pdf 20:10:26 Here are the tools for implementing it: http://web.archive.org/web/20100523232436/http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~aghuloum/ 20:10:30 http://tinyurl.com/cwxn4ae 20:10:38 ikarus is fast 20:10:41 And here's an implementation: https://github.com/namin/inc 20:11:06 DrDuck1: Oh very cool, thanks! 20:11:11 :D 20:11:34 I was gonna go through the tutorial, but I stopped and decided to go back to SICP instead. 20:11:41 Gonna do it after SICP. 20:12:49 DrDuck1: Sounds like a plan. :-) 20:13:08 jewel, ometa? 20:13:23 newtothis [~chatzilla@77.126.172.211] has joined #scheme 20:14:53 rszeno, ometa is meta-circular parser generator 20:14:55 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 20:15:28 rszeno, the project I referred to earlier is a full blown programming language with a native code backend 20:15:46 not ometa? 20:17:38 martijn_ [martin@Tricholoma.Update.UU.SE] has joined #scheme 20:24:35 seems i have memory leaks, i read before the thesis and seen implementation in js for ometa, but i forget, :) 20:27:19 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 20:27:40 snorble [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 20:27:44 jewel, the project, the one you reffered earlier is public? 20:27:46 Riastradh, yes lisp is special that way. How about scheme? How many metacircular implementations are there versus the number implemented in C? 20:29:30 Number of Schemes altogether, or number of Schemes at all? Most of them are written substantially in Scheme and require an existing Scheme for boostrapping (usually themselves, unfortunately). 20:29:53 ...er. 20:30:10 Number of Schemes at all, or number of noteworthy Schemes, I meant. Most of the latter are written substantially in Scheme, &c. 20:30:34 Ok, which are the noteworthy ones? :-) 20:30:49 Scheme48, MIT Scheme, Chicken, and Gambit jump to mind. 20:30:58 -!- snorble [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has quit [Client Quit] 20:31:04 Larceny 20:31:04 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@pD9E173EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:31:13 kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 20:31:13 *youlysses* loves MIT Scheme, just for Edwin... :-) 20:31:22 kryptiskt_ [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 20:31:22 -!- kryptiskt_ [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has quit [Client Quit] 20:32:33 -!- kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has quit [Client Quit] 20:32:53 kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 20:35:02 If I recall correctly, both Chicken and Gambit use a C compiler to get to native code 20:35:15 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 20:37:11 jewel: I would assume though, unless there had been major rewrites to get it "GNU compliant', that MIT is close to if not fully in Scheme...? :-) 20:37:14 Correct. Each one has a Scheme to C compiler written in Scheme. How do you run that from the Scheme source code? 20:37:34 Scheme48 uses prescheme, does it have a way of generating native code or a new interpreter via C code? 20:37:50 Scheme48 has a Pre-Scheme to C compiler, written in Scheme. 20:38:40 right, they're 'partly' metacircular 20:38:51 youlysses, MIT Scheme has a lot of C in it, in the component called the `microcode' (which originally was the microcode for a Scheme interpreter in silicon). 20:40:28 are there any scheme compilers that compile directly to native instead of to C? 20:40:42 Yes. MIT Scheme, for example. 20:40:56 (Well, one of MIT Scheme's compiler back ends is to C.) 20:41:02 Blice: That paper I linked above is an example, I think. 20:41:04 Riastradh: Did it always...? 20:41:15 Blice, ikarus and chez scheme come to mind 20:41:15 youlysses, always what? 20:41:18 And here's an implementation: https://github.com/namin/inc 20:41:42 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:42:02 Riastradh: Have some reliance to C. I mean in the early-days, I don't think they were rocking UNIX, to any great number at MIT? 20:42:11 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-173-095-170-102.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42:55 Originally it was the microcode for a Scheme interpreter in silicon. Then it translated to m68k assembly, and then translated from there to C. 20:43:06 (There might have been another intermediate stage or two; I forget.) 20:43:24 Riastradh: Ah, ok. 20:44:58 rszeno, yes, it's public but it's not really presentable. It's something that's still evolving http://subvert-the-dominant-paradigm.net/repos/hgwebdir.cgi/bootstrap/ 20:45:26 fine, thank you, :) 20:45:41 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:02 doesn't matter, 'presentable' is a matter of taste, :) 20:46:02 Nick [~Nick@ec2-107-20-100-82.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 20:46:10 developernotes_ [~Nick@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 20:46:10 -!- Nick is now known as Guest49433 20:46:17 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:08 dev- [~Nick@ec2-23-23-158-237.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 20:50:10 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:50:27 -!- developernotes_ [~Nick@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:25 -!- Guest49433 [~Nick@ec2-107-20-100-82.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:57:04 MrFahrenheit 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