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less I think it's lisp. 11:10:31 OK .. 11:34:17 jrapdx0 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 11:37:10 -!- agumonkey [~agu@238.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:23 -!- jrapdx1 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:47 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:57:18 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.101.229] has joined #scheme 12:03:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:04:00 that heavily depend on what you think lisp is 12:04:24 to me lisp is heavy use of macros 12:06:41 then probably 99% of my scheme code isn't lisp 12:06:45 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 12:13:02 neither is 99% of my cl code 12:15:56 trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.243] has joined #scheme 12:20:28 however, when taking closer look, every time I write "loop" I am using a macro 12:21:58 or COND. 12:25:46 lot's of 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Do they all implement lisp? 12:26:52 But in lisp, it's not the compiler that's doing that. It's the macro that expands to (not necessarily simplier forms). 12:27:22 The compiler reducing of "complex" forms into "simplier" ones, may even undo the work of macros. 12:27:33 in a way. 12:27:55 pjb: why does it matter who does the expanding? 12:28:47 Because when it's the macro, and when you can define your own macros, you have a lisp. 12:28:52 a meta programming language. 12:28:57 user macros and predefined ones have the same nature 12:29:00 -!- jrapdx0 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:29:22 see, now we're getting closer to a reasonable definition 12:30:10 Gooder [~Gooder@192.200.155.32] has joined #scheme 12:30:10 pjb: other compilers (e.g. ghc) provide a way for the user to write their own passes. Why do you discount those? 12:30:58 ijp: let's not forget the other features of lisp: homoiconic syntax, etc. 12:32:49 homoiconic syntax is not that important 12:33:34 actually, I do consider QUOTE to be a good marker for the "is it a lisp" test 12:33:57 jrapdx0 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 12:34:33 huangho [~guest@177.2.158.118] has joined #scheme 12:34:42 Or, any syntax is homoiconic to some measure. It seems that ghc doesn't allow you to make proper hygienic macros (I have no real experience). But there is Nemerle which is ML with hygienic macros, Dylan, Julia, even Scala has macros. I would say these all are lisps 12:35:55 pjb: lisp 1.5 had QUOTE but no macros, so it's probably a nicer test overall 12:36:14 lol 12:37:23 poi519: so you don't consider lisp 1.5 a lisp? 12:38:14 ijp: I agree. 12:38:59 that new "lisp syntax for python" that seems to have people going gaga fails here 12:39:14 or at least, did 12:39:57 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:49 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:43:06 ijp: I would love not to. 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