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Good Enough(with a buttload of syntax highlighting configs) until I started using lisp 15:10:07 whereas Guile is pretty damned groovy. 'Specially with Wingo having hacked on it these last couple years 15:10:19 mmhm 15:10:24 I've been using Guile for the last few months 15:10:37 it's incredibly groovy 15:11:21 and now that it has a VM model rather than interpreter model, performance improvements could drive it lower and lower down in my stack 15:12:04 It'd be interesting to remove the whole chunk of C in emacs, and just write it all in lisp 15:12:36 interesting? surely. practical? not in my opinion 15:13:01 what exactly would be impractical about it? 15:13:04 aside from the obvious performance implications 15:13:46 additional dependencies for installing it 15:14:06 since you can be almost sure you have a working c compiler on the clients side 15:14:14 I mean, emacs already takes ten seconds or so to start up even without X, with all of its pages cached... fifteen seconds couldn't be too bad. 15:14:25 snowylike: what extra deps? where would these magically appear? 15:14:53 how many people do you know that have a cl or scheme installed? 15:15:12 guile is preinstalled on a lot of linux desktops 15:15:19 but this emacs would require guile anyway 15:15:24 ^ 15:15:37 emacs is itself a lisp implementation 15:15:44 this would make it Guile+emacs 15:16:01 emacs/Guile ? 15:18:31 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #scheme 15:18:58 the interesting thing is that guile will probably outperform emacs lisp and comes with bindings to other libraries, so you could implement more core functionality in lisp 15:19:16 That's what I was thinking 15:26:47 this failed few times already, :) 15:27:34 you could be more specific, no? 15:27:35 jrapdx0 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:27:42 "this" hasn't failed yet before 15:27:43 yes, 15:27:55 because the conditions that make "this" possible haven't happened before 15:28:08 As I think emacs is going to use guile in the long run, I think its more likely to succeed as it can be done piecemeal rather than reimplement from scratch. 15:28:16 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:28:18 rewriting all the elisp manualy is not a option 15:28:29 rszeno: you don't have to 15:28:41 automate conversion was tried few times 15:28:48 rszeno: guile _implements_ elisp 15:28:54 levi [~user@c-24-10-225-212.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:29:08 also i don't see a point in replacing emacs c with guile c 15:29:23 btw, i use guile and i like it 15:29:42 i also use emacs and elisp, and like it too 15:29:51 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30:03 rszeno: the point would be to gradually replace emacs c with scheme. keeping elisp as is 15:30:15 and people would much rather hack elisp/scheme than C 15:30:20 -!- jrapdx1 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:30:26 ijp, yes but once you run elisp in guile is not scheme 15:30:35 -!- deveux [~deveux@74.Red-83-45-150.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:29 rszeno: er what? guile has a scheme, it has an elisp. You can call from one to the other. 15:31:40 ^ 15:32:02 i agree the whole idea of embedding a interpreter in a application is great, but language is also a social thing 15:32:20 now you're just being absurd, where did that come from? 15:32:23 so, you are going to keep changing your objection until you find one that we can't conveniently refute? 15:32:34 great, now I can go do something productive 15:32:36 why absurd? 15:32:42 absurd because absurd 15:33:06 how many time you seen language war flames or 'let do all in this language'? 15:33:23 we're just suggesting we move the language implementation /under/ the application, rather than hosting it within it. 15:33:45 is a good idea, i agree 15:33:51 rszeno: if I started compiling emacs with llvm, you won't day I'm changing the language would you? 15:33:55 emacs should be an application, not an implementation 15:34:15 wouldn't say, even 15:34:53 ijp, extending emacs using elisp or let say scheme is a user facility 15:35:25 so what's your objection? 15:35:47 i don't have objections, is a opinion, :) 15:36:12 the things you're referencing as "extending" the environment, happen to be written in elisp right out of the box 15:36:26 i would use a emacs with guile as i use it with elisp if give me what i need 15:36:33 (and arguably, given Guile is the GNU extension language, and Emacs is a GNU product, it should be the the way to extend emacs) 15:40:13 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@c-71-193-54-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40:26 -!- serhart [~serhart@MainCampusMid-v882-04010.1Xwireless.unc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:40:44 additional benefits for me would be that I don't need to switch mind modes between scheme and elisp 15:41:06 my editor macros can also be pushed into my shipping software if I need some text processing facility 15:42:29 microcode, i don't think somebody will be against embbeding guile in emacs, right now, if is a benefit from this 15:42:42 and as you said it is 15:42:53 well that wasn't what I was talking about 15:43:01 people are already moving emacs to guile 15:43:16 (for both working in elisp, and working in other languages guile supports) 15:43:43 I was suggesting that the lisp side of things could gobble up more of the otherwise-C code in emacs 15:43:58 i know, but i don't see why to separate them, maybe is a technical reason, i don't know 15:44:06 then when you hack emacs you're just hacking some lisp 15:44:26 why to not have both? 15:44:39 if you don't understand the technical merit of writing a piece of software in one language rather than two, then why do you pretend to have real objections? 15:45:05 what is that merit? 15:45:20 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 15:45:54 instead of working through a FFI, on two separate language paradigms, with two separate execution models, two separate toolchains: you can just use one language, one toolchain, and execute the same way for all of the code 15:45:54 i don't see what avantage can be in a single language limitation 15:46:11 no ahead-of-time compilation for half the code, and JIT/interpretation for the rest 15:46:29 no manual memory management for part of it while the rest is nicely garbage collected 15:46:51 no m expressions where you could write s expressions 15:47:40 rszeno: plus, do you even work on the C code in emacs? if not, how does this even affect you? 15:48:07 c is same for any interpretor 15:48:53 the difficulty is not to have two interpretors but to make them to not work one against the other 15:49:03 jrapdx1 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:49:19 C, as a language, works against the model of a lisp 15:49:30 it is inherent in the way it must be implemented 15:49:34 c is minimal here 15:49:51 but all there is is guile and C, reducing the amount of C is a good thing, no? 15:50:00 is vm only in both 15:50:14 especially for emacs hackers who are more at home with lisps 15:50:18 (generally) 15:50:41 sure 15:50:52 for both parts 15:51:29 emacs c, is not realy clean, for emacs will be a benefit to use guile smob 15:51:41 also, the C runs as any other C code on the system, it is what the elisp is implemented in 15:52:14 it is not in the same heap, and the interaction is necessarily fairly messy 15:52:18 -!- jrapdx0 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:52 So you have emacs using guile for its elisp and any scheme anyone writes. Then chip away at the C parts, replacing it with guile code (preferably scheme). 15:53:03 again, rszeno, do you actually care what the underlying code is written in? you seem to only care about extending your personal emacs install 15:53:16 sometimes yes 15:53:44 elisp was designed with the clear intention to cooperate with emacs 15:54:24 but in general probably i don't care too much 15:55:06 in fact writing extensions for emacs is happend rarely, not everybody do this 15:56:48 last time i write one was eight years ago, :) so is pure theory now 15:56:51 langmart` [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 15:57:25 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:34 -!- langmart` is now known as langmartin 16:01:15 you know you're compiling hardcore when your terminals are animating make log lines at 60fps 16:07:45 buffering is slow, :) 16:08:48 buffering where? 16:09:02 in terminal 16:09:09 my terminal emulators don't really have buffering issues 16:09:34 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #scheme 16:09:38 they use linear reflowing, as intended, and get decent performance 16:09:43 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 16:10:22 -!- jrapdx1 [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:25 termite is only consuming 6% of one core to display a rich terminal with a translucent background 16:10:27 that's not so bad 16:11:55 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:12:53 i use xterm, before i used for a short time eterm but give up 16:14:05 i tried few time scsp but give up, :) 16:14:23 i mean scsh 16:15:26 microcode, you use linux? 16:16:20 I use GNU/Linux, yes 16:16:37 scsh is a shell 16:16:47 I'm talking about terminal emulators 16:16:52 yes, bash replacement 16:17:08 scsh is a bit old-fashioned 16:17:30 and isn't like other scheme environments, so it's a bit difficult for me to cram 16:17:43 I could see building a shell with Guile or something 16:17:53 would be nice 16:18:31 is first time i heard about termite 16:18:59 i search but i didn't find it on debian 16:20:18 i'm alwasy open to changes and i stay with something as long is not a pain or offer what i need 16:24:35 termite is a good terminal emulator for my needs, since it's VTE3-based(nice font rendering), simple to configure, and iBus-compatible, so I can type japanese into it for example 16:25:15 it basically behaves like gnome-terminal, but with better configuration and less GUI cruft 16:25:18 xterm have utf-8 support too 16:26:23 but it doesn't render things well 16:26:42 EVERYTHING must have UTF-8 support for my workflow 16:26:45 and most things do 16:27:01 but only termite really fits, it is better in most every way than xterm 16:27:16 probably true 16:27:35 in addition, it works much more smoothly in tiling window managers(the window will actually scale even if it's not an even multiple of character dimensions) 16:28:47 hopefully this emacs branch will have compiled by the time I get back from my shower 16:28:54 i would like to try it but i dislike to compile install if is not already a deb 16:29:09 it's not like the sources change all the time 16:29:29 emacs with guile support? 16:29:33 one of the caveats of the default repo is that it likes to tell things it's "xterm-termite" rather than plain xterm 16:29:37 rszeno: yeah 16:29:46 emacs running entirely with guile 16:29:48 nice, :) 16:30:01 apparently it's quite mature and usable by now 16:30:53 microcode: you're welcome 16:31:05 how does termite compare to urxvt? 16:31:11 i should try it but i don't know when 16:32:50 DerGuteMoritz: I can't use urxvt because of its poor handling of truetype/opentype fonts, and it has far too many bindings that you can run into in my opinion 16:32:54 termite use gtk? 16:33:01 termite is afaict much simpler 16:33:03 termite uses GTK, yes 16:33:27 -!- `fogus 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*microcode* nods 19:12:06 ok, that help, :) 19:12:08 -!- duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:12 oh my "we're currently out of balrogs....if you insinst on playing with our balrogs redial in a few days ....." 19:12:19 lol 19:12:28 hmm 19:12:43 rszeno: does your problem produce debugger messages? 19:13:01 no, is a design problem, :) 19:13:16 well then, go redesign 19:13:52 ;) 19:14:01 if ia have ((fn x) y) how i could find there is a y in the call 19:14:22 rszeno: what does it mean to find out there is a y? 19:14:23 i need to do this from fn, inside 19:14:54 to decide that is ((fn x) y) and not a simple (fn x) 19:15:06 without any y after call 19:15:43 rszeno: once you have the answer, what will you do wit hthat knowledge? 19:16:13 curry fn for example 19:16:26 perhaps you could prepare both outcomes, if it's a cheap function with no side effects 19:17:04 what that mean? 19:17:20 well 19:17:36 if you have two flavours of it, one for the wrapped version, and one for a standalone version 19:17:57 as long as the function is simple, and modifies no global state, then you should be able to just run both... 19:18:02 and filter later 19:18:22 is more an example, doesn't have a realy utility, so let take an example 19:18:43 (define (+. x)(lambda (y)(+ x y)) 19:19:00 rszeno: so you don't know how many args it will take, and want to act differently based upon that? 19:19:08 this transform (+ 2 3) in ((+ 2) 3) 19:19:29 yes, exactly and i want to use it recursive 19:19:36 tail call 19:20:08 rudybot_: (define my+ (case-lambda ((a) (lambda (b) (+ a b))) ((a b) (+ a b)))) 19:20:09 ijp: your sandbox is ready 19:20:09 ijp: Done. 19:20:10 if i know there is last call i could only return x 19:20:16 rudybot_: ((my+ 1) 2) 19:20:16 ijp: ; Value: 3 19:20:21 rudybot_: (my+ 1 2) 19:20:21 ijp: ; Value: 3 19:21:08 -!- serhart [~serhart@bonerbonerboner.com] has left #scheme 19:21:11 and ((my+ 1) 2) 3) 19:21:28 variable arity make everything harder 19:21:30 case-lambda could solve 19:22:25 true 19:23:11 if your scheme has a way to inspect the arity of the function, it can be done more dynamically 19:23:43 not addicted to one, i use guile right now 19:24:03 and rep sometime but i 19:24:48 i'm new with rep 19:25:26 also mit scheme but not too often, :) 19:28:06 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-201-251.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 19:28:28 trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.10] has joined #scheme 19:33:06 rszeno: https://gist.github.com/5497713 19:33:42 doesn't handle optionals/keywords/rest args though 19:34:10 thank you ijp, :) 19:34:19 frankly I wouldn't ever use this procedure 19:34:22 -!- acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:35:12 i don't need a full curry, only to build some dummy examples 19:35:16 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:35:49 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:36:06 but is interesting to see how was this implemented 19:36:49 acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 19:39:46 ijp, i'm doing something wrong or what i want is a little backwards then what my+ do 19:40:23 i can't make (((my+ 1) 2) 3) to work 19:40:59 well, the code I gave above doesn't handle that case 19:41:12 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-201-251.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: molbdnilo] 19:41:13 You might want to look at SRFI 26, cut and cute 19:41:33 spec at http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-26/srfi-26.html, highly portable implementation at http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-26/cut.scm 19:41:36 thank you, i will do 19:41:38 if a function takes variable numbers of arguments, where do you stop? 19:42:19 good question, is a matter of flow not arity, :) 19:42:22 the usual answer, I think, is once you have at least the minimum number of arguments to finish 19:42:29 which for + is actually 0 19:43:44 the way ocaml handles is is that you need to supply all the optionals/keywords before the 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