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I implemented a set myself, once, though. 00:35:03 littleschemer: behold 00:35:07 rudybot: doc set 00:35:08 *offby1: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/sets.html#(def._((lib._racket%2Fset..rkt)._set)) 00:35:11 Has r6rs been supported by any actively developing scheme? and is supporting r6rs important? 00:35:15 littleschemer: ^^ 00:35:22 yes, and no :) 00:35:29 racket does r6rs, as do a bunch of others. 00:35:38 And in my ignorant opinion, it's irrelevat 00:35:43 irrelevant 00:36:20 does racket have a pure rnrs scheme mode? 00:36:29 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 00:36:38 I strongly suspect that, of the tiny amount of real-world scheme that exists, essentially none of it limits itself to what's specified in r6rs. 00:36:43 littleschemer: yes, it does 00:36:49 as far as I know nobody actually uses it :) 00:38:14 hm, now I'm not so sure that racket has it. 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EVAL-WHEN is a horrible botch. 15:39:25 Is there a standard function like 'filter', but stopping after the first matching element? I want to search a list to see if something exists and if so return the first match 15:39:29 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 15:39:31 -!- Regis_ [~Regis@187.65.193.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:55 What if there's no match? 15:40:05 #f I suppose 15:40:10 Or an empty list 15:40:41 srfi-1 find 15:46:03 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:46:17 What is the best approach to having a data structure shared and mutable by procedural macros, such that e.g. I could implement a dispatch table that does its dispatching at macro-expansion, and library users can add their entries through a macro-call ? 15:47:53 Is this possible in any combination of a Scheme standard plus a set of SRFIs ? 15:48:22 what do you want to dispatch on? 15:50:49 In this case I'm implementing a system to allow structured access to bytevector-contents. E.g. you define a "descriptor" (vector 3 (struct (x uint8) (y float32))) and it lets you set and get values from a bytevector according to that description and the field-accessors (vector index, struct field name, etc.) you provide. 15:51:24 izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has joined #scheme 15:52:01 Vectors, structs, unions, and a variety of numeric types for the "end-point" are pre-provided, but I want it all be extensible by the user. 15:53:51 A procedural implementation exists already: https://github.com/taylanub/scheme-bytestructures 15:54:36 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:34f3:6e61:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:10 gleag [~gleag@71.175.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 15:55:33 -!- izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:47 (Uses Guile-modules, and the variable *unspecified* which Guile has, but should otherwise be R5RS, bytevectors, and SRFIs 1, 9, and 11. Or consider it R7RS-small, which already has bytevectors.) 15:56:15 taylanub: I'm not surre why you need a dispatch table for that; can't you just define the descriptors? 15:56:18 as in (define ...) 15:57:15 maybe you can give an example of how you would the syntax version to be used? 15:57:20 +like 15:58:05 I think the user shouldn't have to introduce a new set of macros, for acess and setting, for each descriptor they define. 15:59:28 Instead a macro will take a descriptor object, and act on the types used in it to calculate offsets. Note that I aim even for the descriptor *types* to be user-definable. 16:00:03 you could provide a macro that itself expands to macro defintiions, no? 16:00:06 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1c6a:7578:b3ee:137e] has joined #scheme 16:03:22 I would need to expand descriptor-type-definitions to constructors for those types, and then descriptor-definitions would need to reference the constructors directly instead of using an alias which links to the constructor in a data-structure. 16:04:55 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@183.128.143.223] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 16:11:00 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:12:20 hive-mind [~hivemind@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 16:16:33 -!- hive-mind [~hivemind@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:20 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has joined #scheme 16:21:08 \o/ And finally I have a solution to Euler #4 16:21:12 .. even if it's a bit slow 16:22:46 hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 16:27:53 http://pastie.org/7185576 would appreciate any comments on speedups, etc.. as it's a bit slow for me 16:33:04 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:39:22 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:45 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:06 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 16:50:14 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 16:50:25 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - 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21:00:37 dunno 21:00:42 2 or 3 maybe ? 21:01:52 That's more than on mcclim. 21:02:04 pjb: There's paid Racket devs ? 21:02:05 ja 21:02:15 uh, i dunno if they are paid.... 21:02:21 maybe acmes ? 21:02:23 taylanub: a whole university? 21:02:28 Ah ... 21:02:29 prolly 21:02:34 lol 21:06:12 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-5-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:53 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12:20 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:20:27 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:29:48 Fare [~fare@70.42.157.21] has joined #scheme 21:30:23 garjola [~user@139.202.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 21:31:44 sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 21:33:47 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:52 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:36:29 -!- sambio_ is now known as sambio 21:40:27 nys [~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca] has joined #scheme 21:43:29 pjb: no one is paid to develop racket 21:45:15 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:45:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2982B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:47:47 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:50:50 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:51:30 -!- masm [~masm@bl6-169-4.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:56 -!- Fare [~fare@70.42.157.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:06 langmartin [~user@adsl-98-84-107-180.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 21:54:31 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:54:55 izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has joined #scheme 21:59:31 -!- kencausey [~ken@67.15.6.88] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-dev] 21:59:37 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2982B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:59:38 -!- izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:23 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:29 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:02:46 In JRM's guide to syntax-rules, is there an error on page 11 ?.. 22:03:58 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:04:44 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@541AF22B.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:09:34 Fare [~fare@70.42.157.21] has joined #scheme 22:09:38 -!- langmartin [~user@adsl-98-84-107-180.gsp.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:10:27 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@187.65.193.132] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:11:49 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@187.65.193.132] has joined #scheme 22:12:49 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:13:42 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:13:56 jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 22:14:10 -!- Fare [~fare@70.42.157.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:40 It seems to me like the series of `let's produced by the `bind-variables' call should end in a call to `begin'. 22:21:01 wbooze: Racket cheats by using wxwidgets! :) 22:31:50 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:32:16 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:42 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:41:30 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2982B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41:44 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:53 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:47:50 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:18 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:55:20 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:55:25 izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has joined #scheme 22:56:22 gleag: Racket hasn't used WxWidgets for at least several years now. 22:56:38 lazyden [~lazyden@bb121-7-103-68.singnet.com.sg] has joined #scheme 22:57:36 asumu: when did they switch? 22:58:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-98.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:08 And does that mean that I can now write first-class widgets purely in Racket? 22:59:41 gleag: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2010/12/racket-version-5.html 22:59:59 -!- izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:00:03 No, it still uses FFI bindings to underlying GUI toolkits. 23:00:10 asumu: yeah, I'm reading that right now. I must have missed a lot of things. 23:00:51 asumu: well, the gist of what I had in mind was that McCLIM, at least the last time I looked, used pure X11, not Gtk+. 23:01:00 Does anyone know how to use Emacs to format Lisp code as a command-line filter? 23:01:31 I have Emacs installed but don't use it; I'd like to teach other editors how to invoke it to format my code properly. 23:02:24 jcowan: I'm sure you could molest Emacs from command line to load a file, do whatever you want to do with the file, and have it quit again. :-) 23:02:45 Right, but I would prefer to read stdin and write stdout. 23:03:01 I suppose a shell script wrapper could achieve that using a temporary file. 23:03:48 Doesn't /dev/stdin and /dev/stdout work in Emacs? That would be cool. 23:05:21 Okay, so the next question is how to tell Emacs to load, format, and save a named file. 23:07:37 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2982B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:17:16 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:01 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:26:04 (with-temp-buffer (insert-file-contents FILE) ... (print (buffer-string))) 23:26:26 `read' might read from stdin, actually. 23:26:36 -!- dEPY [~dEPY@46-150-62-58.cable.teleing.net] has quit [] 23:35:57 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:38 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:48:46 http://sprunge.us/RfDQ Is this not erronous ? Where does `temp' come from at each step ? If anything, it would each be the same `temp' from the scope in which the macro was defined, not ? 23:53:29 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:53:40 *taylanub* gets annoyed at the sloppiness of the whole text ... 23:54:34 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54:52 (Or being pedantic, whatever.) 23:55:03 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 23:56:03 izisf [~izisf@16.81-167-72.customer.lyse.net] has joined #scheme 23:57:21 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:57:48 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-154-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 23:58:59 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD6032A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:59:52 Ah, I think I get it now; it's just creating a new syntax object there, out of nothing.