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[~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:08 htor [165479@safir.ifi.uio.no] has joined #scheme 08:23:43 (display "hi") 08:26:20 just wanted to say i like scheme a lot 08:28:17 and i heard scheme isn't being taught anymore at MIT comp. sci. introduction courses anymore? 08:29:51 basdirks [~basdirks@185.6.205.4] has joined #scheme 08:33:34 -!- pchrist_ is now known as pchrist 08:34:49 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:37:05 -!- basdirks [~basdirks@185.6.205.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41:17 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:49:52 amgarching [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #scheme 08:51:22 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:45 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 08:51:45 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:51:45 hkBst 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I find it sad. 08:56:22 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:34f3:6e61:b3ee:137e] has joined #scheme 09:04:00 They switched to "Python", according to their course description page. 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roam out of the network's coverage for a bit, but it applies f between all of the atoms in the list, I'm doing this as a learning exercise 15:30:14 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:21 but I've also realized that I'm supposed to be using prefix 15:30:25 -!- throstur [82d0f702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.208.247.2] has quit [] 15:31:46 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-45-52.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:35:04 i'm having problems installing the scsh package in squeeze 15:35:22 scheme-shell basically 15:35:53 that might be because it is very old and probably incompatible with some current libraries :( 15:37:33 that's probably what's happening 15:37:40 is there another alternative? 15:41:27 i really like the idea of using scheme as a unix shell 15:41:48 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #scheme 15:42:06 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:30 hkBst 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I don't really understand how it can ever get 3 when I send `shorten' a list of 4 atoms since it sends lis back if cdr lis is null... :s 15:46:11 m4burns: that seems hard.. 15:46:24 m4burns: POSIX and system calls and all that 15:46:41 htor: that may be true, but you would sure learn a lot. 15:46:48 i would 15:47:06 .. 15:48:17 throstur: your previous description of shorten sounds very much like reduce/fold... 15:48:29 yes hkBst that's exactly what I'm trying to implement on my own 15:49:12 throstur: consider also the base case when you get the empty list... 15:49:25 m4burns: still think i should implement it on my own? only thing is i don't have time for that 15:49:59 but hkBst, what would I send back if there's an empty list? 15:50:07 htor: yeah, if you don't have time then not much can be said. 15:50:08 hkBst: should I ever even get an empty list? 15:50:15 i'm pretty sure if you work at it a bit you can get scsh working 15:50:28 hkBst: I was going to get this working for lists of size > 1 before I added the base case for an empty list 15:50:31 m4burns: that sounds like a better idea 15:50:33 perhaps download the source from the author's page 15:51:14 -!- b4283 [~b4283@1-172-86-126.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:17 is scheme48 old and outdated? 15:51:21 throstur: if the list is not empty, then the ``shorten'' of the tail of hte list is (shorten (cdr lis)), and the shorten of the full list is then ... 15:51:25 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52:33 but hkBst , ((null? cdr lis) lis) should ensure that the shorten of the tail of the list is always a list with the tail's atom in it right? 15:52:43 htor: i've never heard of it 15:53:15 throstur: one option when receiving empty list is to return the unit for the operation which means an extra argument to your function... 15:53:43 scsh is apparently a variant of scheme48, but guess there's quite alot of "scheme's" out there 15:54:02 hkBst: what are the other options? 15:54:15 r5rs compliant is ok 15:55:29 (cdr '(1 2)) is '(1) right? 15:55:42 I mean 2 15:55:43 what's your people's favorite scheme environment 15:55:47 nevermind 15:56:01 throstur: its (2) 15:58:58 because '(1 2) is syntactic sugar for '(1 . (2 . '())) i guess 15:59:07 because '(1 2) is syntactic sugar for '(1 . (2 . ())) i guess 15:59:53 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:56 and (cdr '(1 . 2)) would be 2 16:01:49 i have a language question 16:01:53 htor: racket, chicken, guile, gambit are some options if you're looking for an implementation 16:01:58 mmmm.... syntactic sugar 16:02:16 hkBst: thanks 16:02:56 why is scheme considered a pure functional language when it also supports mutable structures and destructive operations? 16:04:35 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 16:04:48 htor: it isn't considered pure AFAIK 16:05:04 jeapostrophe [~jay@otherlab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 16:05:04 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@otherlab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 16:05:04 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 16:07:13 yeah, it's known as a multi-paradigm language on wikipedia 16:07:28 htor: Scheme is an impure functional language. It supports functional programming idioms like higher order functions, recursion and immutable data, without requiring that you use them. 16:07:43 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:10 set! set-car! set-cdr! string-set! etc... make it impure 16:08:55 (eq? purer better) => ? 16:09:19 (opinion? '(eq? purer better)) => #t 16:09:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:18:33 pr3d4t0r [~zhenya01@varenka.cime.net] has joined #scheme 16:18:45 Good morning. 16:19:03 http://community.schemewiki.org 16:20:28 taylanub++ 16:20:45 Hur.. or maybe I should (incr! 'taylanub) 16:21:56 Hehe. 16:23:33 but i guess destructive operations increases the expressive power and its useful 16:23:54 scheme is really pure anyway i think 16:24:13 at least well defined and consistent 16:29:13 The word "pure" has quite a specific meaning here 16:29:21 A "pure functional" language is one in which no mutations are allowed 16:39:04 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@187.65.193.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:46 -!- edw [~textual@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:43:29 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:40 what languages are pure functional then? 16:43:59 ... er.. any of the functional ones? :) 16:44:05 ML and Haskell being two big examples 16:44:46 aha, no mutations in haskell? 16:45:13 Indeedy 16:45:55 hmmm 16:46:03 nice 16:47:20 Not nice, IMHO.. horrible. :P They took the one thing that makes a computer a computer (namely, a logic machine with stored mutable state), and removed that part.. 16:48:14 ^self [~fn@headache.hungry.com] has joined #scheme 16:50:19 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 16:50:44 <^self> hi. 16:51:12 -!- throstur [82d0f702@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.208.247.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:21 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 16:54:52 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8DFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 16:56:48 LeoNerd: haskell is interesting, but strange yes 16:59:09 JohnnyL [~chatzilla@ool-457a8633.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 17:01:03 everbot [~squallltt@103.20.168.212] has joined #scheme 17:05:38 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8DFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:42 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:10:24 -!- everbot [~squallltt@103.20.168.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:15:27 cmatei 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