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Like how some games use Lua? Is this a .NET game or not? 08:08:58 arbn: yes, like how some games use Lua. It's C/C++ 08:09:20 I'm basically planning on writing performance-critical stuff in C/C++ and doing the rest in scheme 08:11:31 coderarity: I know of TinyScheme. That's used by the GIMP and notoriously was also used in some adware. 08:13:16 arbn: do you know if it compiles on windows? 08:14:07 that is, visual studios 08:15:54 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 08:16:04 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:16:17 Oh. I see. You want to know whether it compiles with Microsoft's compiler. 08:16:44 yes, unfortunately 08:16:51 That I don't know. I'm not a Windows user myself. 08:17:59 do you know if guile is comparable to tinyscheme/ 08:18:01 ?* 08:20:22 doesn't GIMP use SIOD? 08:20:29 DerGuteMoritz: Not anymore. 08:20:36 ah, I see 08:21:35 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:05 coderarity: My impression is that guile isn't designed to be as lightweight as tinyscheme, but you may want to try both and see what works for you. Both are designed to be embedded. 08:22:23 okay 08:23:18 i might just read through tinyscheme and see if i can adapt it to my needs 08:23:57 coderarity: Also, Guile is LGPL, whereas TinyScheme is BSD-licensed. If this is a proprietary game, that might matter to you. 08:24:49 If you need to do more than just link with the binary, for instance. 08:25:06 okay 08:25:18 LGPL doesn't allow static linking, right? 08:26:06 coderarity: If you statically link, both parts have to be LGPL, yeah. 08:26:22 ah, i see 08:26:52 i'm probably better off with tinyscheme then 08:28:27 coderarity: or chibi 08:30:32 I'd guess he'd have better luck compiling TinyScheme with Microsoft's compiler than Chibi, though. 08:31:14 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:33:56 also you misunderstand the lgpl 08:34:20 chibi looks like it's using unix system calls 08:34:28 lgpl + static linkage means that you have to be able to relink a new copy of the lgpl part of your program 08:34:49 it doesn't impose any licensing requirements on the non-lgpl parts of your program 08:35:11 it's still somewhat onerous 08:35:28 but it doesn't cause your program to be released under any specific license 08:44:04 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 08:44:04 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:44:04 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:48:16 wingo: OK. 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