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00:05:30 <jcowan> appleseed: Yes, but less so.
00:05:33 <jcowan> They have bigger cores
00:05:42 <jcowan> CL is an apple, Scheme is a pear.
00:05:47 <jcowan> CL has conses, Scheme has pairs.
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00:10:17 <appleseed> jcowan: I see, so aside from portability, what can't you do with scheme? I like it's minimalist design; so I guess what I'm asking is, does that take anything away from what it can do, that other languages perhaps can do?
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00:10:48 <ijp> you can do anything if you are willing to build it
00:11:07 <ijp> if you are not, you can't do anything
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00:13:17 <appleseed> lol yes, so given that, how quickly can you build something using scheme vs other languages (minus libraries). So if you were to do the same thing in two languages, would scheme allow for faster development (given macros, etc.)
00:14:16 <ijp> I don't know how you would quantify such a thing
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00:14:44 <appleseed> say lines of code
00:14:52 <appleseed> that's one way to quantify it
00:15:53 <ijp> if you want someone to sell you on scheme, I'm not the man to do it
00:21:26 <appleseed> haha maybe that's true to an extent, but I would prefer to put it as weighing the advantages and disadvantages of scheme vs other languages
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08:19:08 <taylanub> I would claim that getting used to paredit for sexp editing, and using a language with macros would give one a big objective advantage over other languages.
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08:25:22 <brendyn> taylanub: do non lispy peeps tend to use paredit or equivalent for no lispy languages? it seems like itd be useful for pretty much anything with brackets
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08:27:33 <taylanub> brendyn: I try to use paredit globally in Emacs but sometimes it makes too many lisp-related assumptions or simply breaks funnily (Objective-C mode has weird issues).  I've only ever seen other programmers use cheap auto-pairing of parens/quotes etc. which often annoys instead of helping and doesn't offer any strict consistency.
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08:28:20 <brendyn> thats no god
08:28:41 <taylanub> I wonder if automatic semicolon-insertion in C-like languages would work ...
08:28:56 <brendyn> and languages like java can end up having even more brackets that lisp :P
08:29:08 <taylanub> JavaScript wins in that area. :P
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