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[~bps@ip68-231-151-161.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 06:32:38 redscare [~Adium@CP-ONE-TWENTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 06:33:06 is there a way to do logic within scheme macros like it is in common lisp macros? 06:33:37 i.e. make decisions about what code to output given the values passed into the macro? 06:33:51 pattern matching is insufficient for what I am trying to do 06:37:41 -!- znode [~znode@61.143.60.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:59 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-110-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:40:12 redscare: not sure what you mean, pattern matching can imitate pretty much every flow control 06:40:14 redscare : perhaps try `syntax-case' macros ? 06:40:35 yeah syntax-case would be useful for this 06:44:45 Syntax-case or any other low-level macro system such as explicit renaming or syntactic closures. 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in haskell -- in scheme we're less scared of them 16:15:08 githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-110-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:17:21 samth: i see. 16:18:18 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:18:55 agumonkey [~agu@58.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 16:19:13 there are no $ to be had in scheme 16:19:52 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:20:26 -!- hkBst__ is now known as hkBst 16:24:24 amoe_ [~amoe@host-92-24-171-135.ppp.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 16:24:28 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 16:27:45 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-2-96-233-98.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28:09 b4283 [~b4283@1-173-98-121.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 16:29:30 -!- redscare [~Adium@18.189.79.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:30:47 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 16:30:47 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has 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UNIVERSE] 17:58:09 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 18:08:22 DerGuteMoritz: I've done web stuff in scheme and got paid for it :) small apps that run under MIT/GNU Scheme on my server :) 18:19:15 hehe, me too! but it was more like $,, not $$$ 18:21:26 please, tell me where i find these jobs. 18:22:03 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23:27 boobalu: freelancing :) 18:23:40 DerGuteMoritz: out of interest, which Scheme do you work on? 18:24:18 and you're certainly right about the $$$.. though it was surprisingly easy with my self-built stack to be better than i'm at rails (which might as well say something about my rails competence :) 18:26:09 ecraven: chicken 18:29:10 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 18:30:01 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:30:10 DerGuteMoritz: do you compile your programs to native code? can you connect with SLIME or something similar to a running chicken server process? 18:31:55 rmathews_ [~roshan@122.164.35.226] has joined #scheme 18:32:17 rudybot_ [~luser@ec2-50-18-28-110.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 18:32:23 ecraven: I usually don't compile the "business logic" parts 18:32:25 the rest I do 18:32:28 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:28 -!- carleos [~carleos@cm-83-97-243-56.telecable.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:32:29 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:32:29 -!- kubatyszko [~kubatyszk@pd8465f.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:29 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.35.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:29 -!- rudybot [~luser@ec2-50-18-28-110.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:30 -!- rmathews_ is now known as rmathews 18:32:34 kubatyszko_ [~kubatyszk@pd8465f.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 18:32:37 I don't use slime with chicken usually, no 18:32:52 though I would give it a try should I write a web app in it again 18:32:55 carleos [~carleos@cm-83-97-243-56.telecable.es] has joined #scheme 18:33:01 got pretty attached to it through Clojure :-) 18:33:44 ecraven: yes. but where do i find the jobs? 18:33:48 is there some site specific? 18:34:01 acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.212.215] has joined #scheme 18:34:05 boobalu: i just write stuff for acquaintances and friends. simple things, enrollment systems for events, stuff like that 18:34:27 (brb) 18:34:28 DerGuteMoritz: how do you like clojure? how do you feel it compares to chicken? 18:34:29 i see. 18:43:14 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 18:55:29 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:55:46 -!- spobat [~spobat@p5B2DE577.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:29 turbofail [~user@107-215-216-65.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:02:27 -!- agumonkey [~agu@58.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:03:38 agumonkey [~agu@78.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 19:04:11 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:40 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 19:17:06 leppie: In Guile, concatenate and append are both builtins, and both use the same underlying function, only one uses a given list and the other uses rest arguments. 19:17:19 leppie: So there are no performance implications either way (at least with Guile). 19:18:06 leppie: So I tended to gravitate towards concatenate when it's the right function for the job. 19:22:14 snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 19:23:01 leppie: In contrast, in Racket, srfi/1:concatenate is defined to be racket/list:append*, which does use (apply append 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[Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:18 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 20:41:27 So, Church numerals are basically just functions wrapped in functions? O_o 20:41:41 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:41:57 and you can conert them into numbers by givint a starting value 0 and a function add1 ? O_o 20:42:49 -!- pnpuff [~hypntango@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:44:20 Church numerals, in the lambda calculus sense, don't get 'converted' to numbers, they're just interpreted by humans as numbers. 20:44:29 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:44:44 Yes yes, I know. :) 20:47:37 Formal systems are strange things. 20:48:01 -!- rndnick42 [~user@stgt-5f71a606.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:46 -!- berndj [~berndj@dsl-185-146-61.dynamic.wa.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:28 btw, is anyone here payed for programming in scheme?:) 21:09:56 Or is this more like a "book club" :) ? 21:11:20 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 21:14:18 I can't say I have been paid to program in Scheme but I have been paid to program many projects where no one cares or even knows what is used to complete the project. 21:14:44 I could have used Scheme in many of those cases but didn't for a variety of reasons, both good and bad. 21:16:03 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.211] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 21:16:14 Actually I guess I can say I have been paid to use Scheme since one of my activities is to maintain servers and I have been exploring using Guile instead of Bash. 21:18:11 How's Guile working out for you? 21:19:36 when i used guile 21:19:38 well. 21:19:45 to be honest, all implementations of scheme are the way slow. 21:19:58 Good assuming that the complexity of the problem is sufficient to make having to rely on the poor data structures Bash provides painful. 21:20:03 i have written code that takes 40 min to run over scheme. 21:20:07 dEPy: I'm paid to program in Racket. 21:20:09 and 0.5s with haskell. 21:20:21 the same algorithm, it was transliterated entirely from scheme to haskell. 21:20:23 boobalu: There certainly are fast implementations. 21:20:41 boobalu: How about posting some code to take this beyond hearsay. 21:20:44 guile, mit scheme were the ones which i tested. 21:20:49 Are you sure the Haskell version is not just skipping all the work due to lazyness? 21:20:57 kencausey: if you want i can post the code which i scheduled. 21:20:57 Gambit, Chicken... 21:21:08 stamourv: i'll post the code. 21:21:12 oh, i tried chicken too. 21:21:14 I'm not claiming I will tackle it, but someone might. 21:21:17 boobalu: Racket's pretty fast. 21:21:25 Might be worth a shot. 21:21:27 i dont remember of testing racket though. 21:21:42 i'm figuring out how to write a scheme in python. 21:21:53 that is why i got back to scheme. 21:22:19 let me know if you guys want to see the code. 21:22:21 ecraven: I find it quite pleasant to work with, I've already ported a few things I've learned to like over to chicken :-) 21:23:35 I prefer Clojure, but it's just not appropriate for short lived rarely run tasks at this point. 21:24:46 -!- andres-v` [~user@centraltelefonica.fruno.com] has left #scheme 21:26:47 kencausey: agreed 21:47:49 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-45-52.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:23 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-45-52.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:50:36 -!- boobalu [~bom@198.187.30.171] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:11:12 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 22:21:53 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:23:39 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Client Quit] 22:39:02 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:12 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:39:18 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:39:19 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60818.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:05 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-133-188.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:47:25 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 22:47:43 -!- MiningMarsh [~MiningMar@unaffiliated/miningmarsh] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:47:50 ldionmarcil [~user@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #scheme 22:47:51 Mining|away [~MiningMar@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 22:47:53 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 22:48:09 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 23:03:07 -!- agumonkey [~agu@78.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:54 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:29:10 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:33:09 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-246-219.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:42:06 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-246-219.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-172.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:45:19 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:15 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 23:53:51 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:55:53 jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 23:55:57 -!- jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:55:57 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:57:24 -!- dEPy [~matjazCod@46-150-62-58.cable.teleing.net] has quit []