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I'm planning to use the interactive mode. Which of these am I most likely to want to use? scheme-ieee-1178-1990, scheme-r4rs, scheme-r5rs, scheme-srfi-0 11:48:47 they all lead to the same prompt so I can't tell any difference 11:50:51 scheme-r5rs I'd say. 11:51:23 Or perhaps scheme-srfi-0. 11:51:24 Until r7rs. 12:01:23 Fare [~fare@men75-12-88-183-198-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 12:07:45 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-102-126.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 12:13:41 ijp [~user@host31-52-22-186.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 12:26:31 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 12:40:35 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:47:42 acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-1-148.stoweaccess.com] has joined #scheme 12:55:13 -!- MiningMarsh is now known as Mining|away 12:55:15 spobat [~spobat@p5B2DEDCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:56:50 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 13:06:22 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has 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ccl-logbot add^_ emma przl Nisstyre-laptop wingo gravicappa ldionmarcil cdidd teask tessier PuercoPop taylanub kk` rmathews ski acarrico answer_42 ijp joel135 civodul githogori eataix jrapdx dEPy mau hiroaki hiroakip Tanami MichaelRaskin zacts b1rkh0ff kubatyszko_ araujo preflex Nisstyre joneshf-laptop adiii Riastradh peterhil bipt robot-beethoven REPLeffect qrstuv hopfrog eli stamourv MrFahrenheit copumpkin gabot jrslepak adzuci samth_away danking 20:18:13 -!- names: UncleHandsome arbscht fizzie antoszka noam_ nitefli teiresias cmatei sirdancealot7 pothos jaimef ASau weinholt dostoyevsky brendyn lusory krig SeySayux cross finnrobi ivan\ aoh dRbiG zbigniew DerGuteMoritz Triclops256|away MiningMarsh snorble_ saccadewrk Euthy ecraven rudybot cibs yazdmich C-Keen fgudin samrat__ tali713 mapour dan64 ft micro__ duncanm SHODAN LeoNerd pjb jaaso nowhereman_ turbofail leppie berndj sethalves hive-mind InvalidCo Zuchto 20:18:13 -!- names: Obfuscate rapacity elliottcable Saeren eMBee yosafbridge rotty Khisanth kencausey asumu Gurragchaa impaktor Natch twem2 corecode Skitsu`work ineiros mario-goulart mutley89 evhan Nshag shachaf FireFly kranius notdan Viaken cky fadein pchrist felipe pyro-_ joneshf miql barometz offby1 drewc gf3 copec m4burns joast acieroid levi stephe SeanTAllen clog kniu muep z0d pjb-v ozzloy klutometis snarkyboojum Razz_ gnomon tizoc pyro- ohama fds shardz impaktor_ 20:22:34 so is r5rs generally preferred to r6rs? 20:22:43 Preferred by whom? 20:23:05 R5 is fairly small and simple, nicely contained. R6 is much larger. Not everybody seems to like R6 20:25:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:48 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:25:50 i just got the 4th edition of the Dybvig Scheme book -- is it good to learn with (for both R5 and R6?) i don't know enough to know which version i'd prefer (though i do admire Scheme for its smallness and simpleness) 20:26:27 If you admire small and simple, then my suggestion would be to stick to R5, and await R7 20:27:52 okay -- should i seek an older version of the Dybvig book? (i think the 4th edition is R6 focused) 20:28:01 r5 is "simple" because it ignore detail 20:28:21 and you can't really stick to it anyway 20:28:31 but you'll learn that soon enough 20:28:57 Ohsure.. it's insufficient like C99 is insufficient. But the things it lacks are just "boring" library functions for interracting with the real world, etc.. 20:29:58 it's way more insufficient than C99 20:30:46 Hrm.. I suppose.. random example C99 specifies sprintf, whereas r5rs has nothing similar 20:30:57 r5rs doesn't even specify ascii 20:31:07 Neither does C 20:31:21 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-133-188.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:31:46 or are there other good scheme books i should look into? i'm deeply in love with SICP, but it's not really about scheme, per se 20:36:49 anyway, the thing that really gets me, time and again, is that, as low a barrier as the r5rs is, and as much as people say it's beautiful and simple, it's too high for most implementations 20:37:12 which is both hilarious and pathetic 20:37:38 -!- MiningMarsh is now known as Mining|away 20:43:10 Go fix 'em! 20:43:53 most of them nobody uses anyway 20:45:27 the issue isn't the (broken) implementations, it's the insidious myth that caused them to be written in the first place 20:45:48 Insidious! 20:49:30 it's true though 20:50:01 for no other language do people expect to be able to rewrite it from scratch in a weekend, they have more accurate expectations 20:55:26 ijp: how long does it really take? 20:57:53 hard to say, when the majority of the data points are incomplete 21:01:55 but since scheme48, the canonical "two day" implementation is still being worked on, I think we can throw it 2 days out of the picture 21:04:25 even if it inspires false-confidence, does scheme still rank among easiest-to-implement? 21:04:51 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 21:10:02 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-14.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:11:02 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 21:13:37 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-14.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:41 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:18:58 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:19:32 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:19:54 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-14.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:20:54 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.20.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:24:30 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:26 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:37:11 -!- joel135 [~joel@78-73-26-199-no168.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:52 Fare [~fare@men75-12-88-183-198-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:55 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:45:03 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:47:26 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:05 If you want easy to implement, you can just implement the untyped lambda calculus. :p 22:03:55 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:04:30 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:19 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:34 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 22:23:53 znode [~znode@183.45.33.16] has joined #scheme 22:29:40 -!- znode [~znode@183.45.33.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45:59 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:34 Tanami_ [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #scheme 23:00:57 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22:17 How is MULTIPLE-VALUE-BIND called in Scheme? 23:22:31 (...Usually.) 23:24:38 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:27:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-246.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:58 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:29:39 ASau: I think it's receive, but I'd need to double check with the CLHS 23:29:54 spobat [~spobat@p5B2DEDCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:31:23 rudybot: (require srfi/8) 23:31:24 ijp: your sandbox is ready 23:31:25 ijp: Done. 23:31:44 rudybot: (define (uncons x) (values (car x) (cdr x))) 23:31:44 ijp: Done. 23:32:02 Mmmmmm values 23:32:15 rudybot: (receive (a d) (uncons '(foo bar)) `(car ,a cdr ,d)) 23:32:15 ijp: ; Value: (car foo cdr (bar)) 23:37:30 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:43 -!- add^_ [~user@m37-3-22-251.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:44:26 Alright, I have found "let-values". 23:45:43 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:48:50 spobat_ [~spobat@p5B2DE6DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:50:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:00 -!- spobat [~spobat@p5B2DEDCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:56:19 Aune [~Arne@h-152-28.a163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme