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:) 01:37:30 nobody here but us zombie processes. 01:38:52 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 01:39:01 zombie you say? the contagious kind or the kind that made windows invent ctl alt delete? 01:40:18 i would need a little extra thinking power, just a small if you have time? 01:41:24 Black0range: Don't ask to ask, just ask. :-) 01:41:45 just trying to be kind :) 01:43:06 developing a kind of game library / engine for mac os x with the help of gambit, anyhow i've come to a point where i would need to make an index of all the key codes the macs have 01:44:02 anyhow the though is what would be most efficient doing this a table or vector / list lookup loop 01:45:31 i can not make a list or vector ordered by the key codes integer values since there is a few thousand keycodes and i simply wont include all since i have to do it manualy :( 01:48:03 -!- b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:49 or are there some other miraculous way that my tired brain haven't thought of? 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:-) 03:19:45 *Want 03:22:50 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 03:22:50 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 03:22:50 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #scheme 03:25:54 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 03:27:56 -!- Regis_ [~Regis@186.222.62.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:48 -!- MiningMarsh is now known as Mining|away 03:40:43 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:47:00 ddp [~ddp@71-83-115-6.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:48:56 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:51:03 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:57:59 silkwood [8a1a4028@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.40] has joined #scheme 03:58:41 is there a better way of doing this?: (car (caddr xs)) 03:59:03 is somethings like (caddar xs) possible? 04:01:54 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:29 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:04:30 -!- barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:50 barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined #scheme 04:05:30 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:06:07 zyfwong [~zyfwong@121.8.57.64] has joined #scheme 04:06:42 -!- zyfwong [~zyfwong@121.8.57.64] has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:22 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 04:10:41 jozefg [~quassel@c-75-73-195-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:11:13 probably 04:12:04 using a `match' macro, or giving appropriate selector names might be more sensible 04:16:36 Open questions how many people actually has an profession where scheme is an essential part? 04:18:05 tali713_ [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1c50:7372:b3ee:137e] has joined #scheme 04:18:39 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:18:39 -!- tali713_ is now known as tali713 04:19:32 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:48 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-21-229.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:49 youlysses [~user@75-132-21-229.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:23:24 Black0range: I've heard of a few startups and small businesses use some dialect fairly extensively, but I couldn't name them if that's what you were asking... 04:25:43 youlysses: It was just a thought that crossed my head, I am actually using scheme professionally myself. :) 04:27:15 Black0range: I've recently considered doing a start-up after I graduates, based in scheme... if that's any consolation :-P 04:27:23 *graduate 04:27:49 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 04:31:10 youlysses: Sweet! scheme is a good language to do things efficiently in, if you're ever thinking of what dialect of scheme to use i would recommend Gambit is has a very nice garbage collection system. Makes life a little bit easier 04:31:48 Black0range: I'm currently a bit infatuated with Guile, but I'll be sure to check it out! :-) 04:35:48 -!- jozefg [~quassel@c-75-73-195-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36:07 jozefg [~quassel@c-75-73-195-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:36:21 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 04:38:11 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-21-229.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:20 -!- jozefg [~quassel@c-75-73-195-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:04 youlysses [~user@75-132-21-229.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:47:38 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:49:36 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:08 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:00:43 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 05:01:31 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 05:09:23 If i have an expression 05:09:59 (`* (`+ 2 3) (`+ 4 5)) 05:10:25 how would i call eval on that so that it ignores all of the quotes? 05:11:07 you did you put the quotes in there in the first place ? 05:11:39 sorry, s/you did/why did/ 05:13:19 actually, I think I only need to evaluate simple expressions like (`* 2 3) 05:13:59 how would i evaluate that? 05:14:05 i keep getting an error like this 05:14:06 unquote(,) must be inside quasiquote(`) 05:15:25 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.146.168] has quit [Quit: ...] 05:15:55 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-21-229.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:10 rudybot: eval (eval '(* 2 3) (scheme-report-environment 5)) 05:19:11 ski: ; Value: 6 05:19:24 eval ((eval '(lambda (*) (* 2 3)) (null-environment 5)) *) 05:19:30 rudybot: eval ((eval '(lambda (*) (* 2 3)) (null-environment 5)) *) 05:19:31 ski: ; Value: 6 05:21:00 rudybot: eval (let ((gronk (list `* 2 3))) ((eval `(lambda (*) ,gronk) (null-environment 5)) *)) 05:21:00 ski: ; Value: 6 05:21:18 silkwood : it's not clear what you're attempting to do 05:22:24 i have the quote inside the list 05:22:33 (`* 2 3) 05:22:42 not `(* 2 3) 05:24:18 ok 05:24:24 its working now 05:24:28 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #scheme 05:24:49 i looked into what you initially said 05:24:58 *ski* still doesn't know what silkwood wanted 05:25:09 "why are you quoting them". I got rid of unnecessary quotes 05:25:26 sorry heh. i dont know what i wanted either 05:25:44 what problem are you trying to solve ? 05:27:20 now im doing (eval `(* 2 3)) 05:27:30 its a homework assignment 05:27:49 when I eval im getting Object 6 has no method 'to write' 05:27:51 what is the task ? 05:28:12 simplify s-expressions 05:28:47 arbitrary s-expressions ? 05:29:18 basically im given an s-expression with constants and variables. I have to simplify it as much as possible without knowing the variables 05:29:25 yeah 05:30:05 so the s-expression could involve calls to arbitrary scheme procedures ? 05:30:48 uh. my knowledge of s-expressions is limited, but we are only doing basic arithmetic 05:30:57 so something like this 05:31:29 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 05:32:28 ok, if you're only handling a finite set of procedure calls, you should not need to use `eval' 05:32:48 (* (+ c1 v) c2) -> (+ (* c1 c2) (* c2 v)) -> (+ c3 (* c2 v)) 05:33:06 Well, that's tantamount to writing your own 'eval'. 05:33:11 just use `case' (e.g.) to determine which procedure symbol is used, and then call the appropriate scheme procedure directly 05:34:34 if it helps, you could first make it so that it can simplify s-expressions looking like `(multiply (add c1 v) c2)' 05:35:43 (emphasizing that the names used in the s-expression you're simplifying doesn't per se have any connection to the scheme procedure (if any) you'll call for the simplification) 05:36:27 well 05:37:10 oh wait 05:37:12 i see 05:37:16 i think... 05:37:20 just a moment :) 05:37:41 i have a closure problem my tired brain doesn't find suitable to solve by himself i want to create a closure that can "dealocate" itself or rather set its own pointer to another value such as false. not sure if this makes sense? 05:38:08 however it seems like i am going in loops 05:38:27 so setting the pointer of the pointer sets the pointer of the pointer again 05:38:51 a value, such as a closure, doesn't know of the locations (if any) it is currently stored in 05:39:24 but if i afterwards send it to the closure 05:39:53 The best you can do is have it close over a variable that indicates whether it is "closed" or not. 05:40:37 i think what you want depends on how you want to use/detect that the closure is "deallocated" 05:40:43 so a third party function can take the closure of afterwards? hmmm 05:41:26 let's say `foo' has been set to `#f' -- then `(foo 3)' is an error 05:42:01 ski: here is what i am going to do i want a list of "events" each event is a closure, slightly difret (created this way) 05:42:02 Remember that there are no deallocation operations in Scheme. There is only the garbage collector, which only deallocates things when it can prove that they will never be relevant again. 05:42:08 if you say `(if foo (foo 3) ..otherwise..)', then why not use a flag as the conditional instead ? 05:42:51 Anyone feel like taking a quick look at one of my WG2 proposals? Not too long. 05:42:52 jcowan: thank you for saying it but as you say i want to make it un relevant by being refered to by nothing 05:43:10 That you cannot achieve directly. 05:43:30 hence the loops i guess? 05:43:42 Black0range : perhaps you want a mutable box ? 05:44:07 ski: let me send you a quick pasebin of example code :) 05:44:29 -!- cross [cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:44:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:44:55 "Error: 6 is not a function" after simplifying (* 2 3) 05:45:47 but i dont understand. I dont think im treating it as a function. I think im treating it as a number 05:46:08 cross [cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has joined #scheme 05:46:23 http://pastebin.com/XtD4mXCU 05:46:40 silkwood : perhaps look for "redundant" brackets ? 05:47:19 *ski* pities the closing brackets in Black0range's paste 05:47:19 ski: nevermind the x ;; retuns line 05:48:25 ski: closing brakets no make magic closing brackets no get good treatment! 05:49:43 i am probably chasing my own tail here i guess? 05:49:46 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 05:50:16 i'm not sure what you want to achieve 05:50:47 making x #f 05:51:18 from inside the closure which just so happends to be x... 05:52:14 your paste seems to set `pointer-to-pointer' "inside" `x' to `(x)', then set it to `#f' 05:52:51 none of this affects the location bound by `x' 05:53:36 yeah i know :/ altering the location bound by x is my goal! :) 05:53:50 `(define x (key-event))' binds `x' to a new location initialized by the value returned by `(key-event)' 05:54:32 (x 'set-pointer-to-pointer x) ; the location `x' is dereferenced twice here, to get a procedure value to call, and a (procedure) value to pass 05:54:32 rmathews [~roshan@122.165.89.11] has joined #scheme 05:55:02 -!- gavino_himself [47683a41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.104.58.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55:11 at no point does the procedure get to know the location `x' itself 05:55:54 (Scheme is call-by-value, not call-by-reference) 05:57:45 do you know any way to make my initial thought work? 05:58:29 afaiu, no 05:59:27 what if you pass `x' to a procedure as parameter `y'; would you expect `y' to also be set to `#f' ? 06:00:31 one attempt could be to make a wrapper around your procedure, which knows of a location which initially contains the procedure; then you could make a call to the procedure possibly set this location to (e.g.) `#f' 06:01:02 another attempt is using a mutable box which initially contains the procedure 06:01:31 hmm those idéas is worth a try 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