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joined #scheme 20:59:41 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:46 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #scheme 21:12:32 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 21:17:26 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 21:22:50 silkwood [8a1a4028@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.40] has joined #scheme 21:23:56 what would be the best way of implementing an is_older function that takes in two dates (y,m,d) and returns true if the first function is older? 21:24:33 I have a working function, but I have only started learning within the past few hours and i feel like there is a better way 21:25:19 here is my version 21:25:20 http://pastebin.com/SaH6i67p 21:27:30 -!- zacts [~lcc@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:27:54 silkwood: hi! is that signature what you want / need? it seems a bit impractical to pass in all date components as separate values 21:28:05 silkwood: it works. 21:28:22 yeah 21:28:23 other than that, on a stylistic note: you would usually name sucha function `older?` 21:28:32 i ddont need any certain signature 21:28:34 silkwood: what you're doing, is to use a monotone function f, so d1 f(d1) just what seems best 21:28:51 i.e. no "is" prefix and usually, if you need more than one word, Schemers use dashes instead of underscores 21:28:52 Now, the only problem with that is that it uses four multiplications, so it may be a little slow. 21:29:06 oooooh 21:29:08 i see 21:29:13 If you compared directly the fields, it would only be integer processing. 21:29:27 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 21:29:32 But then with modern processors, perhaps with more branches it would be worse. 21:29:36 Optimization is hard. 21:32:29 silkwood: perhaps you could find a library that would convert the date to a single integer representing the number of second since an origin? There's such a function in Common Lisp, another in standard unix time libraries, etc. 21:32:51 Of course, those functions take also into account HH:MM:SS and often time zone too, so they're even more complex. 21:33:29 But when you start comparing dates, perhaps you also want to know the time between two dates? So s(d1)-s(d2) can be handy. 21:33:47 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [] 21:34:43 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:22 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 21:37:51 so this would be a better solution? 21:37:52 http://pastebin.com/XMegMjHs 21:42:53 silkwood: it would be clearer indeed. 21:43:33 But try to compare the performance with (or (< y1 y2) (and (= y1 y2) (or (< m1 m2) (and (= m1 m2) (< d1 d2))))) 21:44:04 Notice the structure of this expression. Write a function that buids this kind of expression for any list of lexicographical fields. 21:45:52 (define-lexicographical-field-compare date-time< (ye mo da ho mi ss)) --> (define date-time< (lambda (x1 x2) (let ((ye1 (car x1))  (ye2 (car y2)) ) (or (< ye1 ye2) )))) 21:48:17 Well, actually the (or (< )) expression can also be compiled without branches, so it should be faster than multiplications. 21:52:16 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:52:42 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:53:00 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:56:00 (define (older? y1 m1 d1 y2 m2 d2) (or (< y1 y2) (and (= y1 y2) (or (< m1 m2) (and (= m1 m2) (< d1 d2)))))) 21:56:03 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:10 thats throwing errors for me 21:57:00 wait 21:57:02 never mind 21:57:42 Not here. Ok. 21:58:49 *ski* . o O ( "SRFI 67: Compare Procedures" by Sebastian Egner,Jens Axel Søgaard in 2005 at ) 22:03:21 what would be the best way to format that code? 22:03:32 nothing seems to look "pretty" to me yet 22:05:21 -!- dort [~ni@208.81.89.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:23 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-85.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:29 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 22:13:40 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-27-62.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:51 sttau` [~user@bl5-78-203.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 22:15:10 -!- sttau` [~user@bl5-78-203.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Changing host] 22:15:10 sttau` [~user@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #scheme 22:15:35 -!- sttau [~user@unaffiliated/sttau] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:15:39 -!- sttau` is now known as sttau 22:23:41 -!- kuribas [~user@94-227-88-230.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:40 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:25:34 Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-165-254.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 22:37:37 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-246-219.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:43:21 -!- graememcc [~chatzilla@host86-160-241-190.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130107224849]] 22:43:30 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 22:44:20 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 22:48:47 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053006231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:50:08 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50:44 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 22:52:45 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 22:59:41 silkwood : that last paste ? 23:00:16 yes 23:00:19 yes 23:00:55 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:20 *ski* pasted "indented for silkwood" at 23:01:43 how would I go about implementing i simple sum function like this sml function? 23:01:43 http://pastebin.com/VDLjVkgA 23:02:03 perhaps would be interesting for you, re indenting and style 23:02:07 yeah that looks nicer i guess 23:03:00 you can translate that SML code literally into Scheme 23:04:47 .. though it would perhaps be more idiomatic to use `null?' and `pair?' instead of comparing directly with `[]' (and no explicit check for the other case) 23:04:50 prefixing a variable with an apostrophe shows that its a list right? 23:05:02 not at all 23:05:09 oh 23:05:13 sorry 23:05:21 im really new to scheme:P 23:05:54 btw, is the translation of the `sum' function given homework/exercise ? 23:06:21 prefixing a form with an apostrophe means that it's not to be evaluated, but taken as a literal datum 23:06:44 rudybot: eval (list (+ 2 3) '(+ 2 3)) 23:06:44 ski: your sandbox is ready 23:06:45 ski: ; Value: (5 (+ 2 3)) 23:07:42 no im just trying to learn scheme 23:07:42 here the first argument of `list' is evaluated as an expression, while the second one evaluates directly to the datum after the apostrophe, without interpreting it as an expression 23:07:47 ok 23:07:48 im learning sml at the same time 23:08:34 i suppose the literal translation is 23:08:39 (define (sum L) 23:08:54 (if (equal? 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L) 23:11:17 (+ (car L) (sum (cdr L)))))) 23:11:27 .. however, SML has a `null' predicate as well 23:12:08 (and it's more idiomatic in SML to use pattern-matching, than to use the functions `hd' and `tl' (and `null', which though is better than doing `... = []')) 23:12:31 oh alright 23:12:33 thanks! 23:13:05 pair? 23:13:08 btw, there's an #sml channel here on FreeNode as well, in case you didn't know 23:13:13 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:13:14 is that sort of like cons :: ? 23:13:25 `pair?' checks whether a datum is a pair 23:13:26 yes 23:13:38 cool 23:13:45 i think im getting it 23:14:01 so which form of sum would be better in scheme? 23:14:01 -!- htop [~bc@pD9EE8547.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:16:03 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:18:13 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:23:15 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:28:09 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 23:28:12 -!- silkwood [8a1a4028@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.26.64.40] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:31:24 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:31:53 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 23:32:23 ijp` [~user@host31-53-168-169.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:32:46 -!- Tau [~Euler@186-194-41-7.i-next.psi.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:32:54 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:34:59 -!- ijp [~user@host86-173-113-204.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:35:03 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 23:37:47 ijp` [~user@host86-128-177-92.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:40:19 -!- ijp [~user@host31-53-168-169.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:40:47 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:44:27 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:45:02 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 23:50:31 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.1.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52:26 -!- Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-165-254.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:04 CoverSlide [~richard@pool-173-55-58-198.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:53:12 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme