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How is the experience :) If you need any help, just ask, I'm no expert, but have found a few things :) 17:24:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 17:24:48 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #scheme 17:26:13 -!- b4283 [~b4283@1-172-84-234.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:19 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:27:55 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-36-178.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:28:34 ecraven i'm still on mit scheme. but i'm considering to switch it to racket. 17:29:09 ecraven i got a bit of trouble in the beginning cause i wasn't indenting the code correctly. i figured out a better way to read code so i don't get headaches heh. 17:33:22 i really suggest using an editor that does automatic indentation (like emacs, probably vi or the one that racket has) 17:33:36 there is absolutely no reason to do indentation by hand :) teach your editor to do it correctly! 17:33:51 ecraven hehe, true. 17:34:31 the way of how looking at the code is important as well. i finally got this way. 17:34:54 ecraven i used to crash when looking at scheme code. i couldn't determine quickly the flow of the program. 17:35:23 it took me three hours to write something that would take me 10 min in python. 17:35:54 it was when i stopped for awhile and told myself: 'come on, they do IA research in it. there must exist a better way of thinking about it'. 17:36:08 things get better, and at some point, it'll turn around :) 17:36:28 especially with judicious use of macrology :) 17:36:52 heh. 17:37:26 I suspect that most AI researchers do not actually use Lisp. 17:37:40 that seems like a stereotype held over from decades ago 17:38:39 ijp what do they use nowdays 17:38:47 ijp: That's a shame; I don't know why the fuckers use Java. 17:38:58 Tau: the only one I ever spoke to used Java 17:39:03 hahaha. 17:39:03 (Also, Python.) 17:39:11 well. python is ok. but java...hmm? 17:39:18 Tau: Boggles my mind. 17:39:26 klutometis heh. 17:39:31 ni__ [~ni@208.81.89.67] has joined #scheme 17:39:49 I think there's a new movement toward Javascript and even Clojure, though; this is within the last couple years. 17:41:00 Javascript, I guess, is a pseudo-Lisp. 17:41:47 clojure isn't so bad :) personally, i don't understand how you can work in a language like python, which cannot be auto-indented :) 17:42:04 i got a bit of trouble with the way of doing OOP in js. 17:42:20 Bizarre; I don't understand how you can work in a language with castrated lambdas, either. 17:42:27 The Python-lambda is such a cock-tease. 17:43:28 Tau: did you ever use any other prototype-oriented oo language? 17:43:42 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-36-178.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 17:44:24 ecraven i used c++, python so far. 17:45:37 ecraven but they aren't prototyped oriented. 17:45:38 ecraven i hadn't used any prototype-oriented lang before js. 17:52:11 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 17:52:24 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-93-147-53-42.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:20 -!- graememcc [~chatzilla@host86-150-19-87.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57:35 ASau [~user@46.115.40.200] has joined #scheme 18:00:42 -!- ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:06:37 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-40-28-232.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 18:10:40 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 18:19:16 ecraven [~user@www.nexoid.at] has joined #scheme 18:20:18 Tau: sorry, server overload.. indeed prototyped oo languages are very different :) but it *is* very interesting to think that there are "objects" in the self image that have been around for decades.. literally the same objects 18:20:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-3-106.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:00 ecraven indeed. 18:21:11 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:10 prometheus by forcer is a prototype-oriented system that runs on many Schemes 18:25:20 I'd imagine the objects in the Squeak image have been around for longer though? 18:25:32 (Although that's not prototype-based obviously) 18:27:38 isn't self older than squeak? 18:27:56 I think Squeak is based off the original Smalltalk image 18:28:33 pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 18:29:26 Hmm, not certain 18:31:55 ijp` [~user@host86-174-97-93.range86-174.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:32:15 graememcc [~chatzilla@host86-148-139-3.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:32:45 ecraven have you been into clisp too? 18:33:39 clisp is the only common lisp implementation I get along with 18:34:46 -!- ijp [~user@host31-53-23-142.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:27 jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:47:02 mmc [~michal@178-85-64-28.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 18:49:32 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:49:32 -!- pjb-v [~t@voyager.informatimago.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:22 pjb-v [~t@88.198.62.69] has joined #scheme 18:52:57 pessoa heh 18:53:11 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:53:13 heh what? 18:54:09 Tau: nope, i've played around with sbcl (and cmucl long ago), but CL just feels too ad-hoc (and lisp-2 or even lisp-15) for me :) though i have to say it *is* nice to have all the libraries and support that CL has (and which most Scheme implementations are sadly missing, due to the fragmentation) 18:54:35 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 18:54:56 on a related note, does anyone know whether licences for chez scheme can be bought again? they were acquired by someone (oracle?), and when i asked said they weren't selling any new licenses at the moment 18:55:18 There's no built-in networking stuff in CL, but as it turns out that doesn't matter because there's few enough implementations that it's feasible to make a library wrapping around the differences, and there is such a librar 18:56:15 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:49 ecraven: they were bought by cisco 18:57:57 and i don't know if you can buy licenses yet 18:58:16 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 18:59:06 -!- Tau [~Euler@189-127-59-227.i-next.psi.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:01:18 samth: ah, that was it! were they bought because of chez scheme, or does cadence do other things too? 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(+ (some-func '(1 2 3))) <-> (+ 1 2 3)? 21:42:25 it would be equivalent to the * operator in python. where i pass a list of elements as a list of regular arguments to a function. 21:42:40 That's apply 21:42:49 (+ 1 2 3) <==> (apply + '(1 2 3)) 21:43:42 -!- mgodshall [~user@8.20.30.249] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:44:13 oh nice. thank you LeoNerd . 21:57:44 Tau: see, you shouldn't have learned Python, it has deformed your mind. 21:57:54 pjb lol 21:58:15 pjb there is much space inside my heart for python and scheme to live side by side. 21:58:19 Soon you'll realize how silly (+ (some-func '(1 2 3))) for (+ 1 2 3) would be. 21:58:20 in fact, i love python. 21:58:59 pjb heh. 22:00:58 fridim_ [~fridim@173.231.115.58] has joined #scheme 22:14:51 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:15:59 -!- Aune [~Arne@h-152-28.a163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 22:19:00 *drewc* loves "Python" as well ... of course not the scripting interpreter for the python langauge, but rather the SBCL/CMUCL compiler thing that has the same name :) 22:19:07 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:50 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@173.231.115.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:26 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:32:39 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-64-28.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:33:57 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:39:29 -!- garjola [~user@165.202.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:41:32 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:43 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 22:51:50 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 23:03:36 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:50 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 23:09:58 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:20 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-28-64-56.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:48 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 23:22:09 -!- rins [~aaron@75-149-129-85-Connecticut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:29:35 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:30:23 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 23:35:40 serhart [~serhart@173.171.144.139] has joined #scheme 23:43:45 in a different Schemiverse (+ (values '(1 2 3))) might also work :D 23:44:55 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD92BDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:45:12 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 23:45:14 taylanub [tub@p4FD946C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 23:55:41 ...and any semblance of reasoning about programs would be lost in that universe...